Dempsey Overrated?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Lmao...


Dempsey by far is one of the most overrated guys..

Watched the dempsey Willard fight someone posted, and without a doubt both would get creamed in the same night by any modern heavy of the past 40 years.,.


Hands down at their waist, just dropping bombs..

These guys are about as skilled as gatti, it's a joke to think these are some great fighters..

Tunney shredded dempsey because he could actually box..,,


I feel everyone watches these old fighters with rose tinted glasses, These guys aren't skilled at all... Don't confuse entertaining style with actual skills

There is a reason why gatti is known as a "throwback" fighter..

Honestly Povetkin would stop Dempsey in about 4 rounds...


It's a joke to think these guys could hang in the modern era, when you couldn't stand over a downed opponent and tee off when they started to rise from a knockdown..

Don't confuse an exciting style with actual skills. I'm pretty sure even kovalev would knock Dempsey out...

Hands down, winging punches from the hip will get you ktfo in modern era...


It reminds me of the old school UFC cards,,, shamrock, Gracie, Severn, great for their era, but totally crude, limited,mand easily beatable by today's mma fighters... Same goes for Dempsey..

I don't see how anyone can watch Dempsey-Willard and think that's great boxing

[joseph5620]

Lmao...


Dempsey by far is one of the most overrated guys..

Watched the dempsey Willard fight someone posted, and without a doubt both would get creamed in the same night by any modern heavy of the past 40 years.,.


Hands down at their waist, just dropping bombs..

These guys are about as skilled as gatti, it's a joke to think these are some great fighters..

Tunney shredded dempsey because he could actually box..,,


I feel everyone watches these old fighters with rose tinted glasses, These guys aren't skilled at all... Don't confuse entertaining style with actual skills

There is a reason why gatti is known as a "throwback" fighter..

Honestly Povetkin would stop Dempsey in about 4 rounds...


It's a joke to think these guys could hang in the modern era, when you couldn't stand over a downed opponent and tee off when they started to rise from a knockdown..

Don't confuse an exciting style with actual skills. I'm pretty sure even kovalev would knock Dempsey out...

Hands down, winging punches from the hip will get you ktfo in modern era...


It reminds me of the old school UFC cards,,, shamrock, Gracie, Severn, great for their era, but totally crude, limited,mand easily beatable by today's mma fighters... Same goes for Dempsey..

I don't see how anyone can watch Dempsey-Willard and think that's great boxing

It looks very strange when I see Dempsey hitting Williard while he was still on the canvas. That seems archaic by the standards of modern boxing. It almost looks comical.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

It looks very strange when I see Dempsey hitting Williard while he was still on the canvas. That seems archaic by the standards of modern boxing. It almost looks comical.

Yeah, exactly... I don't even know how you can compare that to the modern era..
Can you imagine tyson standing over buster douglas in the 7th, just waiting to pounce... yikes

[Suckmedry]

Yeah, exactly... I don't even know how you can compare that to the modern era..
Can you imagine tyson standing over buster douglas in the 7th, just waiting to pounce... yikes

Mike Tyson under those rules would be absolutely brutal

[H.B.Viper]

Race! Yea I said it. Race!

America wanted a white HW Champ. Period.
They loved JD, but he never faced those great black HW's of those times...
He would have got smoked By an old Johnson, Jennerette, & Lankford...
All boxing historians knew it, but they would never publicly say it on record!
OVER RATED!

[sonnyboyx2]

Jack Dempsey is Underrated... If fighting today he would most likely weigh around 220-225lbs with modern diet, training etc. Every boxing historian, trainer, reporter from the last 100yrs all cannot be telling lies, exaggerating, making it up etc. Gene Tunney sat ringside in Caesars Palace for Holmes vs Norton in 1976. interviewed after the fight, he said, "Dempsey would knock both Holmes & Norton out in the first round". Tunney never came across as a guy who would give anything other than his honest opinion.

[billeau2]

Jack Dempsey is Underrated... If fighting today he would most likely weigh around 220-225lbs with modern diet, training etc. Every boxing historian, trainer, reporter from the last 100yrs all cannot be telling lies, exaggerating, making it up etc. Gene Tunney sat ringside in Caesars Palace for Holmes vs Norton in 1976. interviewed after the fight, he said, "Dempsey would knock both Holmes & Norton out in the first round". Tunney never came across as a guy who would give anything other than his honest opinion.

As much as Sonny Boy can be an annoying troll who can't keep to one screen name....When your right your right. Tunney was a dour man by all accounts, and seldom gave compliments. He was complimentary of Grebb and Dempsey and those who think he complimented to give himself more cred don't know the personality type of Tunney.

And SB is also quite correct about the various trainers....There is quite a lot of them who say Dempsey was the ultimate. These are guys some of whom saw Johnson, saw Louis and many other greats.

[BKM-2010]

Some of you guys should not judge Dempsey's skills on the Willard fight alone. Tyson and Cus talked about this on a tv show once. Dempsey was young, extremely desperate and not in there for a long fight. He wanted to finish the fight very quickly and get it over with for several reasons(hence why he stepped out of the ring in the first round). For his time he was amazingly skilled, and he knew how to punch in combinations and it holds up to this day. Some mentioned Tunney outboxing him, he himself was somebody who was on the wrong end of one of those powerful, accurate combinations(and controversy ensued).

I have him ranked at #13 and there is no shame to be ranked below the 12 ATG's I picked before him.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Some of you guys should not judge Dempsey's skills on the Willard fight alone. Tyson and Cus talked about this on a tv show once. Dempsey was young, extremely desperate and not in there for a long fight. He wanted to finish the fight very quickly and get it over with for several reasons(hence why he stepped out of the ring in the first round). For his time he was amazingly skilled, and he knew how to punch in combinations and it holds up to this day. Some mentioned Tunney outboxing him, he himself was somebody who was on the wrong end of one of those powerful, accurate combinations(and controversy ensued).

I have him ranked at #13 and there is no shame to be ranked below the 12 ATG's I picked before him.

I get what your saying, but honestly Dempsey was an action fighter, nothing more, nothing less...
In this history section I have learned from a lot of you guys, and Ray Corso imprinted in my mind that the top fighters in the early years 1900-1960, had to sell tickets as the way to make money.. Undefeated records and paper titles weren't meaningful, it was how you fought, because there was no PPv, little or no tv, no major sponsor deals, dudes had to be exciting to draw crowds and get paid.. Dempsey is a great action fighter, drew huge crowds, but that doesn't autmatically make you an elite level fighter... In the modern era guys like margarito, mayorga, butterbean, gatti all drew huge money because fans knew they would always be exciting and that's why some especially gatti are known as throwback fighters,,, Dempsey if he was around today would be Marco huck with power.. Good action fighter and world class but not sniffing a p4p list

[sonnyboyx2]

I get what your saying, but honestly Dempsey was an action fighter, nothing more, nothing less...
In this history section I have learned from a lot of you guys, and Ray Corso imprinted in my mind that the top fighters in the early years 1900-1960, had to sell tickets as the way to make money.. Undefeated records and paper titles weren't meaningful, it was how you fought, because there was no PPv, little or no tv, no major sponsor deals, dudes had to be exciting to draw crowds and get paid.. Dempsey is a great action fighter, drew huge crowds, but that doesn't autmatically make you an elite level fighter... In the modern era guys like margarito, mayorga, butterbean, gatti all drew huge money because fans knew they would always be exciting and that's why some especially gatti are known as throwback fighters,,, Dempsey if he was around today would be Marco huck with power.. Good action fighter and world class but not sniffing a p4p list

i suggest you watch the Dempsey vs Willard fight. Then name for me any other fight in boxing history where i can see a heavyweight who moved like Dempsey or had the speed and power of punch like Dempsey. His bobbing and weaving style is incredible, His 5 punch combo which puts Willard down for the first time is savagery at its brilliant best. The grainy footage was filmed from the back of the arena, from a single camera with one pixel. Today we use over 50 camera's which use thousands of pixels. Jack Dempsey never walked like Charlie Chaplin, he was a lean, mean fighting machine. who was trained by the very best and in the most correct way to train a professional prizefighter. Make no mistake, if fighting today Jack Dempsey would still be "The Greatest Fighter who ever lived."