Alis chin overated?

[K-DOGG]

Joe Frazier, a totally exposed featherfist and china chin.

Ron Lyle, good opponent and impressive win for Ali. Had real power. Nothing bad to say!

The credibility is lost when someone with a chin untested against flush hard punches from the hardest punchers is rated among the hardest chins of all time.

And the credibility is lost when someone is declared the hardest puncher when demonstratably never applying that power to beat anybody worthwhile!

C'mon, dude, really? I mean, seriously.

[Scott9945]

Okay, I get it. You're a troll and probably an alt. Have fun.

I'm not wasting any time on this clown either. His intention here is clearly to bait us. Hopefully he will be banned soon.

[Daddy T]

I'm not wasting any time on this clown either. His intention here is clearly to bait us. Hopefully he will be banned soon.

seconded ... indeed I think there should be a vote who wants the ******ed chimp also known as Tommo who likes to come out with lines such as "Joe Frazier, a totally exposed featherfist and china chin." banned from this section??

[Panamaniac]

The elephant in the corner of the room...

While Ali's ability to take a punch contributed to his legendary status, the side-effect, at least in part, is his unfortunate physical state today...

[likeamulekick]

Let's be honest here guys because I'm gonna spell it out real slow for the nostalgist to follow...

Nobody is saying Ali had bad chin. A fighter who got completely walloped as much as Ali did and won/fought on as long as he did MUST have good chin.

However it is equally true that Ali's chin is COMPLETELY overrated.

Why?

Ali from the 70's onward after exile was heftier and stronger and did display good chin. But his chin WAS NEVER TESTED against real power punchers bar a few exceptions. In those exceptions (i.e. Foreman is the main case) when did you see the unco Foreman land cleanly on Ali's head? I can't remember a single flush power punch that the wild madman landed on the rope-a-doping Ali.

Obviously besides Foreman, none of Ali's opponents could really **** worth a damn compared with say the opponents of modern boxers. Holyfield was ****** out by Bowe. Lewis dropped by Rahman. Wladimir wasted by Sanders.

The reason such things happened to them and not to Ali is that by comparison, Ali's opponents COULD NOT PUNCH THROUGH THE SURFACE TENSION OF WATER!

Now regarding Ali's PRIME 60's self and his Cassius Clay days, who did he fight? Nobody worthwhile. Liston was greatest opponent but had not a hope against Ali really. However ppl forget or try to cover up the fact that this Ali was floored by a 185lb blown up light heavyweight called Henry Cooper who should fairly and under modern rules certainly would have knocked Clay out who had to cheat by getting extra time for his gloves to recover.

Let me rephrase that "Were Ali to have competed under modern rules, prime Ali would have been knocked out or disqualified not just by a CW but by a 185lb guy, 15lbs lighter than ANY CW today of no appreciable skill/record at all!"

This is the reality of Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali.

NO modern champ who was rumoured to possess a weak chin from Tommy Morrison, Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko would EVER EVER be threatened or wobbled by such a feeble opponent. They only ever got dropped by butts, massive combinations or single huge punches or other non-chin related factors at all like gassing and medical issues.

Now let's get back to normal, I am not saying Ali has bad chin, Ali has good chin alright, no problem, no denying. But any talk of his having "among the hardest chins in history" is merely more good old times talk!

MYTH BUSTED!

I gotta be honest I think that shot cooper landed would floor or defntly stun the guys u mentioned. the timing, quickness, accuracy and positioning of ali was devastating but a guy like chuvalo or mcall would eat it up. Some punches are just knockout punches and the added weight would be void in that type of knockdown

[likeamulekick]

I do rate alis chin very highly defntly top ten or I could maybe push top 5 (if were talking hws) but if say Ali is number 5 and a guy like chuvalo or mcall is number 4, the leap between those guys is still big and the point I was trying to make is that when people mention Ali having one of the greatest chins of all time, I think there sub consciously adding his ability to stay on his feet, toughness, heart and also his reflex ability to take the shot into the equation of his chin, and if so I would grant him number 1 spot, no question but this is why I feel its overated because the other guys I mentioned can simply walk forward and just take massive shots to the chin. Guys that would have to be hit with a million shots to come close to knocking down, let alone out and the fact that ali has been floored by a quick 1 shot multiple times, no matter how good the punch should prove in itself that just his CHIN doesn't compare to those guys. Ali chin= unquestionable, Mcall chin= unatural

[Ray Corso]

Seriously how old are you? I'll go with 19yrs old?
If you don't think Frazier is an ATG heavy thats fine but why degrade the man! He was the Olympic Champion and Undisputed and Undfeated Pro Champion. You can't do it any better and he didn't choose anyone getting there they were ALL put in front of him. He dfeated Ali when Ali was undefeated. Lay off or not or not enough time or bouts for Ali to get ready is ALL on Ali!
In Boxing "matchups" make fights! In the Heavyweight division theres always punches that land from anyone and from anywheres that can cause serious damages!!!
Comparing common opponents goes out the window when discussing the big boys! Size means nothing because reach gets nullified once shorter arms are inside!!

Stop dregrading fighters with your insults and maybe you'll get taken a little bit more seriously. Calling Ali & Frazier "featherfisted" or "weak chinned" just makes boxing people not want to associate with you even a net forum.
No one likes to talk with a troll who only wants to get a rise out of people, after a while you become a "bore"!

So whats up with Sadler??? Ever hear of him, he was pretty good! Ray