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    Heavyweight Rankings

    Been thinking of where I'd rank the late, great Smoking Joe in the history of the heavyweight division. Last time the Ring ****zine ranked the heavyweight division they had him at 8th, which seems about right. The Ring's list was:

    1.Muhammad Ali
    2.Joe Louis
    3.Evander Holyfield
    4.George Foreman
    5.Larry Holmes
    6.Rocky Marciano
    7.Sonny Liston
    8.Joe Frazier
    9.Jack Johnson
    10.Jack Dempsey
    11.Ezzard Charles
    12.Jim Jeffries
    13.Jersey Joe Walcott
    14.Mike Tyson
    15.Gene Tunney
    16.Harry Wills
    17.Sam Langford
    18.John L. Sullivan
    19.Max Schmeling
    20.Max Baer

    My own top 15 is:

    1.Muhammad Ali
    2.Joe Louis
    3.Jack Johnson
    4.George Foreman
    5.Larry Holmes
    6.James J Jefferies
    7.Evander Holyfield
    8.Joe Frazier
    9.Rocky Marciano
    10.Lennox Lewis
    11.Sonny Liston
    12.Jack Dempsey
    13.Ezzard Charles
    14.Mike tyson
    15.Jersey Joe Walcott
    #2
    I think Johnson is way too high but, I understand I'm in the minority here, same with Jeffries.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Barnburner View Post
      I think Johnson is way too high but, I understand I'm in the minority here, same with Jeffries.
      Johnson beat Sam Langford, Sam McVea, Joe Jeanette, Bob Fitzsimmons, Stanley Ketchel and Jim Jefferies.

      Jefferies beat Jim Corbett, Bob Fitzsimmons, Peter Jackson and Tom Sharkey. Lost only to a hall of famer in Johnson, and that only after a long time out of the ring.

      Both exceptional CV's.

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        #4
        I have Frazier at 5

        1.) Louis
        2.) Ali/Clay
        3.) Johnson
        4.) Foreman
        5.) Frazier
        6.) Liston
        7.) Dempsey
        8.) Marciano
        9.) Holmes
        10.) Holyfield
        11.) Lewis
        12.) Patterson
        13.) Charles
        14.) Jeffries
        15.) Walcott
        16.) Baer
        17.) Schmeling
        18.) Tunney
        19.) Langford
        20.) Corbett/W. Klitchko/Wills

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          #5
          Originally posted by Welsh Jon View Post
          Johnson beat Sam Langford, Sam McVea, Joe Jeanette, Bob Fitzsimmons, Stanley Ketchel and Jim Jefferies.
          No way was that even near a prime Langford, Ketchel was a Middleweight and Fitzsimmons and Jeffries were worse than shot.
          The versions of Jeanette he beat were quite inexperienced and he never actually gave him a shot at the title. He probably would have been more likely to win it than Jeffries and Joe still beat Johnson and took him to a draw at this stage in his career. Same story with McVea Johnson faught the inexperienced version who had about 10 fights. never granting him a title shot.

          Jefferies beat Jim Corbett, Bob Fitzsimmons, Peter Jackson and Tom Sharkey. Lost only to a hall of famer in Johnson, and that only after a long time out of the ring.

          Both exceptional CV's.
          Fitzsimmons weighed 167 although it's still an OK win I suppose considering he won the LHW belt but, nothing that should be discussed in greatest wins.
          Peter Jackson was 37 at the time of the Jeffries fight and I'm not certain of this but, I'm sure he'd already came down with TB or something because he died 3 years later.

          The first Corbett win is a good win, the second one not so much. I do think the Sharkey bouts were good wins for Jeffries.

          I also don't hold the Johnson loss against Jeffries for the reasons stated above.

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            #6
            I may be alone but I got Larry Holmes at #3.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Welsh Jon View Post
              Been thinking of where I'd rank the late, great Smoking Joe in the history of the heavyweight division. Last time the Ring ****zine ranked the heavyweight division they had him at 8th, which seems about right. The Ring's list was:

              1.Muhammad Ali
              2.Joe Louis
              3.Evander Holyfield
              4.George Foreman
              5.Larry Holmes
              6.Rocky Marciano
              7.Sonny Liston
              8.Joe Frazier
              9.Jack Johnson
              10.Jack Dempsey
              11.Ezzard Charles
              12.Jim Jeffries
              13.Jersey Joe Walcott
              14.Mike Tyson
              15.Gene Tunney
              16.Harry Wills
              17.Sam Langford
              18.John L. Sullivan
              19.Max Schmeling
              20.Max Baer

              My own top 15 is:

              1.Muhammad Ali
              2.Joe Louis
              3.Jack Johnson
              4.George Foreman
              5.Larry Holmes
              6.James J Jefferies
              7.Evander Holyfield
              8.Joe Frazier
              9.Rocky Marciano
              10.Lennox Lewis
              11.Sonny Liston
              12.Jack Dempsey
              13.Ezzard Charles
              14.Mike tyson
              15.Jersey Joe Walcott
              A list without Holmes in top 15?

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                #8
                Originally posted by GoogleMe View Post
                A list without Holmes in top 15?
                Very sorry - I missed it at 5, even though I looked through the list a few times! /slap myself. HARD

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DarkTerror88 View Post
                  I have Frazier at 5

                  1.) Louis
                  2.) Ali/Clay
                  3.) Johnson
                  4.) Foreman
                  5.) Frazier
                  6.) Liston
                  7.) Dempsey
                  8.) Marciano
                  9.) Holmes
                  10.) Holyfield
                  11.) Lewis
                  12.) Patterson
                  13.) Charles
                  14.) Jeffries
                  15.) Walcott
                  16.) Baer
                  17.) Schmeling
                  18.) Tunney
                  19.) Langford
                  20.) Corbett/W. Klitchko/Wills


                  No Mike Tyson?

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                    #10
                    1.Joe Louis
                    2.Muhammad Ali
                    3.George Foreman
                    4.Jack Johnson
                    5.Sonny Liston
                    6.Evander Holyfield
                    7.Larry Holmes
                    8.Joe Frazier
                    9.Jack Dempsey
                    10.Mike Tyson

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