Manny Pacqiuao a Top 25 all time great??

[StarshipTrooper]

The TS has Wilde, Monzon and Napoles in his top 25.

And this is a problem how? I personally wouldn't rate Monzon that high but then again I also think Monzon gets grossly overrated.

Can you not see the case for Pacquiao being greater than any of these fighters ?

No. Not at this stage in anycase. As things stand now I'd rate Monzon over him even as overrated as I think he is.

Poet

[Spartacus Sully]

Baseball fans also realize that Babe Ruth Ty Cobb was hitting MUCH slower and a FAR smaller variety of pitches and in to a field that had MUCH slower fielders. NO player from back then could make a major league team today just about everyone recognizes this Baseball is the worst as strength and conditioning was non existent back then.

It is perfectly ok to say someone is one of the greatest of all time in terms how great he is relative to his era.... just don't say if he was playing in another era he would be as good.

nope, ruth would be just as good today as when he played back inthe day.

they simply dont swing the bat like he did....completly diffrent with modern days inferior technique...watch a few vids of sammy sosa or mark mcguire then go watch the babe swing the bat a few times and you can see the clearly supior timing, technique and power.....

[Saddlebred]

nope, ruth would be just as good today as when he played back inthe day.

they simply dont swing the bat like he did....completly diffrent with modern days inferior technique...watch a few vids of sammy sosa or mark mcguire then go watch the babe swing the bat a few times and you can see the clearly supior timing, technique and power.....

I think Ruth would be even better! Boxing and baseball in the United States have a very intertwined history as far as the time frames go...I would say they provide accurate inflection into both sports throughout their collective histories...back in Babe Ruth's day pitchers could still throw spitballs, scuff balls with whatever they could hide, and organized crime had heavy influence from ******** circles...whoever is arguing that Babe Ruth would suck today, please go read the wikipedia article on the Dead Ball Era regarding baseball. Then come back to me on what you think was going on with boxing in those days.

Bottom line, astronauts vs cavemen...who would you pick to win in a fight?

[Spartacus Sully]

Bottom line, astronauts vs cavemen...who would you pick to win in a fight?

i get your point but as most astronauts were trainined soldiers before they became astronauts id have to go with the astronaut.

and the dead ball era is some interesting stuff.

[Saddlebred]

i get your point but as most astronauts were trainined soldiers before they became astronauts id have to go with the astronaut.

Touché, but just because someone went through a couple weeks of pushups, monkey bars and eating square meals doesn't make them surviorman. There are army librarians as well.

I wasn't trying argue your post, just agree with it more and possibly expand on it somewhat for lurkers/pactads/*****s. The NSB section is a bit too much for me and I am just trying to find a nice boxing forum where I can post my opinions and learn about other people's opinions and maybe change some of my own.

I still think cavemen might take it.

[StarshipTrooper]

nope, ruth would be just as good today as when he played back inthe day.

they simply dont swing the bat like he did....completly diffrent with modern days inferior technique...watch a few vids of sammy sosa or mark mcguire then go watch the babe swing the bat a few times and you can see the clearly supior timing, technique and power.....

I love that bit about "variety" of pitches.....what are the vast majority of pitches that batters see today? Fastball, curveball, slider, and changeup. What did pitchers mostly throw in 1920? You guessed it! Fastball, curveball, slider, and changeup. Plus, back then you were more likely to come up against a knuckleballer then you are today. I swear it makes me laugh my azz off at these people who think any of this stuff is new :hahahaha9: These people actually think this **** was just invented yesterday :chuckle9:

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Touché, but just because someone went through a couple weeks of pushups, monkey bars and eating square meals doesn't make them surviorman. There are army librarians as well.

I wasn't trying argue your post, just agree with it more and possibly expand on it somewhat for lurkers/pactads/*****s. The NSB section is a bit too much for me and I am just trying to find a nice boxing forum where I can post my opinions and learn about other people's opinions and maybe change some of my own.

I still think cavemen might take it.

Yeah, you're better off over here than in NSB.....In NSB you'll get a really warped vision of Boxing Scene that isn't necessarilly accurate :hah9:

Poet

[Spartacus Sully]

Touché, but just because someone went through a couple weeks of pushups, monkey bars and eating square meals doesn't make them surviorman. There are army librarians as well.

I wasn't trying argue your post, just agree with it more and possibly expand on it somewhat for lurkers/pactads/*****s. The NSB section is a bit too much for me and I am just trying to find a nice boxing forum where I can post my opinions and learn about other people's opinions and maybe change some of my own.

I still think cavemen might take it.

some one like neil armstrong was in the navy and fought in the korean war, i think he could take down a caveman.

i understand your post and i agree......except for the astronaut part.

[Saddlebred]

some one like neil armstrong was in the navy and fought in the korean war, i think he could take down a caveman.

i understand your post and i agree......except for the astronaut part.

I'll take Buzz over Neil in 4 =P

[SCtrojansbaby]

You people still listen to cassettes and use VCRs? Things evolve stop living in the past.