Ali had a better chin than Holmes

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Ali had a better chin than Holmes.

[Sugarj]

Not later in his career. He has taken pretty much the hardest punches from the hardest punchers of all time. Liston, Frazier, Lyle, Foreman and Shavers were never close to knocking him out and they hit him HARD and flush several times or many times.
Holmes has been hurt and knocked down more often and against much weaker punchers than Ali's. He was also knocked out COLD once when past his prime which never happened to Ali.
Now how are you gonna claim that they have the same chin? Video evidence suggests otherwise. Watch this vid again. Ali could take any shot Holmes took and keep standing and waving asking for more.

Dont forget that Ali could easily have been stopped in round 11 by Frazier in the Fight of the Century. I've seen refs jump in for far less than Ali absorbed in that round, he was staggering jelly legged all over the ring. Its probably the closest Ali came to being truely TKO'd (I'm not counting the Holmes affair in 1980).

[Sugarj]

Holyfield had a great chin too, but dont forget the Bowe stoppage or the Toney stoppage. Evander had his fair share of jelly legs and knockdowns too!

[Spartacus Sully]

two completly diffrent situations.

holmes was amidst throwing a right as shavers beat him to it with his short right nailing him on the button.

ali had just finished jabbing and wasnt coming forwad into the punch. the punch also hit him more on the cheek bone then the button.

and it does look like ali attempted to roll the punch slightly, much much more then holmes did, his upper body moved back his head turned to the right along with his right foot stepping back and to the left pivioting his entire body with the punch.

[BKM-2010]

you dont box. you slip before the punch lands you roll when its landing.



hold a peice of paper with one hand and punch it. hold a peice of card board with one hand and punch it.....which did you connect more with?

now when the paper rolled with your punch....i guess it moved before you hit it right?.....

and i dont know about this comment stuff. im at work and cant visit youtube or watch any form of streaming media, i havnt even watched the vid you posted.



you say that and i say ali snapped his head back to take less of the hit.

im pretty sure im right, though i should really watch the vid first.

shavers had a very fast top speed compared to some one like foreman. this top speed allowed him to connect much more soundly at the moment of impact even with some one rolling the punch, but ali was still rolling his punches and making them alot softer.



they did ali just had better rolling skills.

I was right, and that quote proved it. You PREPARE to roll with a punch before it hits you. You are already going through the motions before the fist smashes you in the face.
What I'm saying is that Ali was hit when he didn't expect it. You cannot roll with a punch when you aren't prepared for it, and that is why you see Ali's head snapping back violently.

You did not even watch the video and you already jumped to conclusions huh? LOL. This guy I swear. He is discussing two moments in a fight with me even though he has not even seen it. Guess I got baited.

You're trolling and can't let this go. You followed me from youtube all the way to here to keep hyping up Larry Holmes.

[BKM-2010]

two completly diffrent situations.

holmes was amidst throwing a right as shavers beat him to it with his short right nailing him on the button.

ali had just finished jabbing and wasnt coming forwad into the punch. the punch also hit him more on the cheek bone then the button..

Wrong. They were both hit by lunging right hands. That's what Shavers used to do. He brought his right fist all the way from his waist to punch. That's what you call a 'short right hand'? And you box right?
And no, they were both hit on the jaw.

and it does look like ali attempted to roll the punch slightly, much much more then holmes did, his upper body moved back his head turned to the right along with his right foot stepping back and to the left pivioting his entire body with the punch

Ohhhh yes, how convenient right? He finally watches the video and of cource Ali totally rolled with the punch! lmao. One last time for ya, Ali actually was countered if you didn't notice, boxer. He had no time to defend at all from that right hand.
This video proves it. An old washed up Ali could take a much much harder hit than a prime Larry Holmes.

[iamcowboy]

why have no picture?

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nope, ali defiantly didn't see that coming....

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and just look at shavers countering that jab.....

[bojangles1987]

I'm not sure how solid Ali's chin really was, but his ability to not show hurt and recover when he was hurt was second to no one in boxing history.

[Sugarj]

With Bowe 3 there were all sorts of rumours, the heart problem resurfacing, him having a cold, many thought he was shot after the Moorer loss. How wrong many were. I'll admit I thought that Tyson 1996 was going to destroy him! He looked awful against Moorer, lacking energy against Bowe and lacking everything against Bobby Czyz. How wrong so many were?

He did have a great chin, I just wouldn't say it was better than Holmes......maybe on an even level. I remember the Smokin Bert Cooper fight and Bowe 1 as being jelly times for Holyfield.