If Tyson didn't lose to Douglas would he have self-destructed and lost soon after?

[Barn]

Your thoughts?

[NChristo]

Personally think Holyfield had Tyson's number and he was next in line after Douglas, he would of beaten him regardless of "self-destructing".

[SBleeder]

Holyfield would have beaten him later that year, as NChristo stated it's not about "self-destruction"; Tyson simply was overrated in terms of talent. Don't forget that C-grade fighter Quick Tillis nearly beat Tyson, and I've always believed that if Tony Tucker hadn't broken his hand he would have out-pointed Tyson as well.

[CarlosG815]

I believe he still would have self destructed, but something changed in his style after he ditched Rooney and went with the black panther training regime. He just wasn't very good anymore. Holyfield, at any point in his career, could not beat Mike Tyson when Mike Tyson was at his best - he just isn't good enough.

Even with Tyson's no defense, come forward, head hunting style, he was still able to massacre those that he fought after prison, and still beat guys like Ruddock after ditching Rooney.

I think after accomplishing so much you stop caring after so long, esp when you're screwed by people in the industry, you kind of begin to resent what you do.

It happens to a lot of fighters, Naseem Hamed was one of them. People knew he was done caring before he even fought Bungu.

[Toney616]

Holyfield would have beaten him later that year, as NChristo stated it's not about "self-destruction"; Tyson simply was overrated in terms of talent. Don't forget that C-grade fighter Quick Tillis nearly beat Tyson, and I've always believed that if Tony Tucker hadn't broken his hand he would have out-pointed Tyson as well.

Ali was almost beaten by Doug Jones and Henry Cooper both of whom were Between C+-B class fighters, so this arguemnet doesnt hold much water.


On topic he was already self destructing before he left Team Tyson, when I finish my Ali threads, ill do some threads about Tyson which show what was going on in his life during that time.

[Dan Vida]

By self-destructing do you mean both in his personal life and boxing career?Him raping that girl was always going to happen to be honest.Tyson was a thug with a thugs mentality,incapable of knowing right from wrong.He had money and he had fame but that street mentality never left him and it showed especially when he came out of prison.


Holyfield and bowe both would have beaten Tyson even had he beaten Douglas.Both were better boxers and both had the heart that Tyson never had.Then you had Lennox Lewis who was emerging at that time.

On topic he was already self destructing before he left Team Tyson, when I finish my Ali threads, ill do some threads about Tyson which show what was going on in his life during that time.

Ill look forward to it zod,be interesting to see all the excuses you can come up for the guy you used to argue so vehemently against.

[CarlosG815]

By self-destructing do you mean both in his personal life and boxing career?Him raping that girl was always going to happen to be honest.Tyson was a thug with a thugs mentality,incapable of knowing right from wrong.He had money and he had fame but that street mentality never left him and it showed especially when he came out of prison.


Holyfield and bowe both would have beaten Tyson even had he beaten Douglas.Both were better boxers and both had the heart that Tyson never had.Then you had Lennox Lewis who was emerging at that time.

Bowe was better than Tyson? Lewis was emerging? What are you talking about.

[Dan Vida]

You're an absolute clown. Bowe was better than Tyson? Lewis was emerging? What are you talking about.

Whats is it you fail to understand? I think bowe at his best was better than tyson at his best,whats so hard to understand there? And yes Lewis was an emerging heavyweight at that time.


Im glad you still have that qoute under your sig too.That very qoute was made by one -IronMike-.I wonder if he still thinks the same thing.

[bojangles1987]

Holyfield was in line I believe, and would have whipped Tyson's ass the way he was headed.

[Anthony342]

Holyfield was in line I believe, and would have whipped Tyson's ass the way he was headed.

Yeah he was and I agree. Tyson had trouble against guys that could withstand his barrage of big punches within the first 5 rounds or so. It might've been a little closer than when Holyfield finally DID get to fight Tyson years later, but I think Holyfield still would've won by TKO.