Ranking Vitalis power amongst the ATGs

[r.burgundy]

1. Yes Tyson was insanely devastating, but not nearly as powerful as Foreman or Tua.

2. A hook, or cross, can travel upwards ala Joe Frazier or Mike Tyson. It WILL have more power if it is angled upwards towards a taller opponent not only because your feet will be better planted into the ground, but the deliverer will be able to absorb the shock of the punch they are throwing better through their feet. If you didn't plant your feet you would just fall over when you threw a punch...you do not use your legs by planting your feet(George Foreman)...You use your legs by using your legs >.<

3. Yeah Moorer was making George look foolish, but notice that George's shots were usually pulled before the KO blow

4. Tito's boxing technique may have been "terrible", but his punching technique WAS amazing...that is what I was saying.

5. If you cut the fat off of Peter and Mccline they would be fairly skinny for men that height, neither has broad shoulders or a very barreled chest.

7. A pallet is only 3 or 4 inches tall tops, the point was that from a shot to the side his back broke, and as I said I have seen morons taking logs to the belly that snapped their backs. So it is possible to break someone's back with a body shot, albeit it would take a awesomely powerful punch

....The punch traveling upwards and the car is a horrible horrible analogy...are you even trying here? If the car is moving at 60 miles an hour, whether it has fallen out of a plane, is going down hill, or going straight up hill...it is still going 60 miles per hour....The only resistance to the fighter punching upwards is gravity and air...I don't think that is going to hold them back, do you? Sorry dude, that's not how physics work...

And if Briggs was fighting a heavy handed fighter, like Joe Louis or Ron Lyle, he would probably have been maimed...He was a stationary defenseless target.

what are you basing your criteria for power on?i see no way possible tua or foreman hit harder than tyson

which not suprisingly the tallest fighters than ive known frazier to fight,were bugner and foreman,and he looked ****ty against them.he was literally leaping off his feet to swing at both and not suprisingly he struggled with bugner and foreman well...

saying you dont use your legs by planting your feet is the = of saying you dont use your arms to punch

the most i can give tito credit for is a great left hook,but nothing about his technique was amazing

if you cut the fat off anybody they would be skinny.fat can be well over 20% of somebodys mass.and abe simon wasnt exactly a physical specimen

and that isnt a punch humans are capable of throwing.you cant compare a log to a fist

i meant to add rpm's to that analogy but regardless point is going up always adds resistance.and gravity definitely adds resistance

louis or lyle never maimed anybody.ive never seen them do to somebodys face what vit did to briggs

[r.burgundy]

Lol I never really thought of Tua as fat, he is a legitimate tank. He has alot of fat on him, but has huge bones and is designed like a barrel lol

well sonnyboy claims tua is the fattest he has ever seen.do you upload fights on youtube sometimes?

[XionComrade]

sorry.thats not a theory i subscribe to.i think the most talented crop was the 90's even though it didnt produce that many great fights due to these guys mental states and don king.
lewis,tyson,holyfield,bowe,moorer,mercer,morrison, ibeabuchi,tua,tucker,byrd,ruiz,mccall

as far as lewis though,he has weighed at 6 times in his career and a total of 11 times at 250 and very slightly under 250.he was far from flabby and out of shape in those 11 fights.sorry poet.almost as bad a fail as your theory of evolution

I cannot believe I missed this...

You start off good...Lewis, yeah Lewis was awesome! Tyson, Tyson had some good abilities! Holyfield and Bowe, both were warriors with good chins! great fighters all of them! Moorer, yeah Moorer was crafty and brave! Mercer was a tank! Morrison had huge talent! Ibeabuchi and Tua were two really good heavyweights! Tucker.....errrrr yeah he was a good contender...Byrd....Ruiz...Mccall...they ****ing suck, I am sorry, but comparing this division to the 70s, you are either insane or a troll....

[r.burgundy]

I cannot believe I missed this...

You start off good...Lewis, yeah Lewis was awesome! Tyson, Tyson had some good abilities! Holyfield and Bowe, both were warriors with good chins! great fighters all of them! Moorer, yeah Moorer was crafty and brave! Mercer was a tank! Morrison had huge talent! Ibeabuchi and Tua were two really good heavyweights! Tucker.....errrrr yeah he was a good contender...Byrd....Ruiz...Mccall...they ****ing suck, I am sorry, but comparing this division to the 70s, you are either insane or a troll....

byrd,ruiz,mccall were all belt holders and more importantly solid fighters,but even if you want to say they ******,are you implying guys out the 70's didnt suck lol??

i dont see how that group is any different from lyle,ellis,and chuvalo.just cause your not great doesnt mean that you suck.and the 90's produced the most talent

[XionComrade]

what are you basing your criteria for power on?i see no way possible tua or foreman hit harder than tyson

which not suprisingly the tallest fighters than ive known frazier to fight,were bugner and foreman,and he looked ****ty against them.he was literally leaping off his feet to swing at both and not suprisingly he struggled with bugner and foreman well...

saying you dont use your legs by planting your feet is the = of saying you dont use your arms to punch

the most i can give tito credit for is a great left hook,but nothing about his technique was amazing

if you cut the fat off anybody they would be skinny.fat can be well over 20% of somebodys mass.and abe simon wasnt exactly a physical specimen

and that isnt a punch humans are capable of throwing.you cant compare a log to a fist

i meant to add rpm's to that analogy but regardless point is going up always adds resistance.and gravity definitely adds resistance

louis or lyle never maimed anybody.ive never seen them do to somebodys face what vit did to briggs

1. I base it on training videos, verbal testimony, and just a overall observation of their fights. It is utter ignorance to say that Tyson hit as hard as George Foreman. Evander Holyfield has said on video that Foreman hit him harder than anyone, and that Bert Cooper hit him harder than Tyson did(Cooper did very well against Evander) And watch the training videos, Tyson is not very powerful compared to the "Heavy Hitters", but very fast and skilled

2. Foreman was a devastating puncher, moreso than any fighter today even in his comeback. Foreman also caught Joe a good ways after his short prime...Frazier was apparently nearly blind in one eye and suffered from severe joint pains. So the Bugner fight goes just the same.

3. Saying you don't use your legs TO plant your feet is the same as saying you don't use your arms to punch. But planting your feet is just that, planting your feet, getting in a balanced stance, it will not produce any power whatsoever...whether you move them is beside that point...Foreman often didn't, Tua, Tyson, and Shavers did.

4. Tito just had great punching technique in general

5. Abe was in much better shape/much more trimmed up than either Sam or Mccline...

6. I would say that it IS a punch a human is capable of throwing. If David Tua walked up and nailed me in the stomach, I would probably be paralyzed...Probably the same for most normal people.

7. Yeah RPMS would make sense then lol...And yes, Gravity adds to resistance, so does air...Neither creates much. Not when compared to the power added to your forward momentum by your Quads and glutes...Have you ever held your arm straight out and went "Damnit this gravity! I cannot hold my arm out!"

8. I have not seen his face yet, would appreciate a pic though, got one? Look at Joe Frazier's face after the Ali fight...hard to beat that, except with Vitali-Lewis, still not quite though

[XionComrade]

byrd,ruiz,mccall were all belt holders and more importantly solid fighters,but even if you want to say they ******,are you implying guys out the 70's didnt suck lol??

i dont see how that group is any different from lyle,ellis,and chuvalo.just cause your not great doesnt mean that you suck.and the 90's produced the most talent

Of course their were ****ty fighters in the 70s...they were journeymen and low fringe contenders though, not reigning champions...They DID suck, the reason they were belt holders is because of good managing and the fact that the rest were even WORSE...

The 90s did NOT produce the most talent, they produce a few really damn good fighters, and 2 all time greats...Lyle Ellis and Chuvalo never won the title, Chuvalo got his brains bashed in my George and Ellis was KTFOed by Earnie Shavers and Joe Frazier...Would Lewis beat Foreman? Hell no...Would Holyfield? No...Would Lewis beat Ali? No, Holyfield? No...Would Holyfield beat Frazier? No...Lewis? Probably...

[StarshipTrooper]

what are you basing your criteria for power on?i see no way possible tua or foreman hit harder than tyson

louis or lyle never maimed anybody.ive never seen them do to somebodys face what vit did to briggs

Louis caved in Paulino Uzcuden's cheek bone and cracked on of Max Schmeling's vertabrae. Next.

Poet

[r.burgundy]

1. I base it on training videos, verbal testimony, and just a overall observation of their fights. It is utter ignorance to say that Tyson hit as hard as George Foreman. Evander Holyfield has said on video that Foreman hit him harder than anyone, and that Bert Cooper hit him harder than Tyson did(Cooper did very well against Evander) And watch the training videos, Tyson is not very powerful compared to the "Heavy Hitters", but very fast and skilled

2. Foreman was a devastating puncher, moreso than any fighter today even in his comeback. Foreman also caught Joe a good ways after his short prime...Frazier was apparently nearly blind in one eye and suffered from severe joint pains. So the Bugner fight goes just the same.

3. Saying you don't use your legs TO plant your feet is the same as saying you don't use your arms to punch. But planting your feet is just that, planting your feet, getting in a balanced stance, it will not produce any power whatsoever...whether you move them is beside that point...Foreman often didn't, Tua, Tyson, and Shavers did.

4. Tito just had great punching technique in general

5. Abe was in much better shape/much more trimmed up than either Sam or Mccline...

6. I would say that it IS a punch a human is capable of throwing. If David Tua walked up and nailed me in the stomach, I would probably be paralyzed...Probably the same for most normal people.

7. Yeah RPMS would make sense then lol...And yes, Gravity adds to resistance, so does air...Neither creates much. Not when compared to the power added to your forward momentum by your Quads and glutes...Have you ever held your arm straight out and went "Damnit this gravity! I cannot hold my arm out!"

8. I have not seen his face yet, would appreciate a pic though, got one? Look at Joe Frazier's face after the Ali fight...hard to beat that, except with Vitali-Lewis, still not quite though

well briggs just said vitali hit harder than foreman and lewis,and briggs took a helluva lot more blows than holy did.foreman kicked briggs ass.

i dont buy that about smokin joe.i think he was fine physically,he just foght somebody far superior.




dude come on,both peter and mccline are larger and more chiseled than abe simon

[sonnyboyx2]

tua is fatter than buster mathis?

yes he is.. Mathis was a huge man 6ft 3ins & 243lbs when he fought Joe Frazier for the Heavyweight Title.. David Tua at 5ft 10ins and weighing 245lbs when he fought Lennox Lewis for the title,

[TBear]

I remember Darroll Wilson and Lewis having more power against Briggs when he could fight. So Vitali pounding on an old retired Briggs for 12 onesided rounds is a strong argument that his power is vastly overrated.