Bert Sugar ''Carlos Monzon Is NOT a Top 50 ATG''

[r.burgundy]

Insane and he ranks Jake LaMotta at #27?

this is honestly why i feel sugar is a closet racist

[eli porter]

He killed his wife.

He was known for his domestic violence with many **********s and his two wives, one of which he was eventually accused of killing. He used to hit Paparazzi that got on the wrong side of him and asked him about his social life or relationships, a lot of which were hospitalized.

Oh that's it? I thought it was going to be something bad...........................

[Barn]

Oh that's it? I thought it was going to be something bad...........................

Like constantly headbutting opponents or something terrible along those lines?

[sonnyboyx2]

What do you make of these comments? BTW Bert ranked Monzon 52 on his ATG list.

it is easy for me to see where Bert is coming from, could Monzon beat Fullmer, Steele, Zale, Cerdan, Turpin, Jones Jr., Toney, Nunn, Ketchell, Langford, Robinson etc plus lots of legendary fighters from other weight divisions. Bert is most likely correct.

[Barn]

it is easy for me to see where Bert is coming from, could Monzon beat Fullmer, Steele, Zale, Cerdan, Turpin, Jones Jr., Toney, Nunn, Ketchell, Langford, Robinson etc plus lots of legendary fighters from other weight divisions. Bert is most likely correct.

Yes but, pound for pound lists are meant to be based on longelivity, quality of opponents beat and how etc,not necessarily Head to Head match ups.

For example, most people pick Joe Louis to lose in a lot of Head to Head matchups (from what I've seen anyway) yet, still put him in their Top 10 Heavyweight list at no more that #3 at the bare MINIMUM.

[Scott9945]

He was known for his domestic violence with many **********s and his two wives, one of which he was eventually accused of killing. He used to hit Paparazzi that got on the wrong side of him and asked him about his social life or relationships, a lot of which were hospitalized.

I'm pretty sure that Monzon was convicted of killing his wife and did time in Argentina.

[Check_hooks]

is there a link to bert sugars top 50 atg list? i'd like to know who he had ranked above him...

[NChristo]

I'm pretty sure that Monzon was convicted of killing his wife and did time in Argentina.

At the time I think that he only "allegedly" beat his wife until she threw her self of the balcony so he went down for second degree murder instead of first which is why he only went down for 11 years.


Investigations afterward shown that he actually threw her off, but that's not what the trial was for, he killed himself after in a car crash after being allowed out to visit his kids on a weekend.

[r.burgundy]

it is easy for me to see where Bert is coming from, could Monzon beat Fullmer, Steele, Zale, Cerdan, Turpin, Jones Jr., Toney, Nunn, Ketchell, Langford, Robinson etc plus lots of legendary fighters from other weight divisions. Bert is most likely correct.

could jake lamotta????

[Greatest1942]

At the time I think that he only "allegedly" beat his wife until she threw her self of the balcony so he went down for second degree murder instead of first which is why he only went down for 11 years.


Investigations afterward shown that he actually threw her off, but that's not what the trial was for, he killed himself after in a car crash after being allowed out to visit his kids on a weekend.

Monzoon was a curiosity, he was as calm collected and cool inside the ring as one could be. And yes I think he could beat Cerdan,Walker and a host of other middle weight greats....However here is an article from sports illustrated that tells a bit about Monzon's wild side.I won't call him a horrible human being , but yes he was not a traditional good guy. This an excerpt from Sports Illustrated after Monzoon announced his retirement

"He needs it because he is an animal and he lives for macho," said Rodolfo Sabbatini, who promotes Monzon's fights in Monte Carlo and produces his films in Rome. "He says he is retiring, but next January or February he will call me and say, 'How come you haven't got me a fight? I'm coming back.' By the end of the year eliminations will bring a new champion, and then Monzon will have to fight the man who succeeds him. It's his macho."

Proving his macho has always been Monzon's undoing. Because of fights in the streets he spent a lot of time in jail between the ages of 16 and 26. He was lucky that his manager, Amilcar Brusa, also trained the police boxing team. They say that Monzon was paroled on Saturdays so he could fight as a professional. On Sundays it was back into the slammer. There may be some truth to it. He recently appealed and won a release from another 18-month sentence for assault but reportedly still faces an eight-month sentence on another charge.

"He's got a big file, about 40 arrests," says Sabbatini. "It's not true when they say the best fighters come from ******s. The best ones come from jail. But that is good. If they didn't lock up those animals, the streets wouldn't be safe for us."

When Sabbatini speaks of Monzon, it is with the curious mixture of amusement and an almost parental pride. With great relish he tells of Monzon meeting Helmut Berger, the German movie star. It was last February in Rome, just after Monzon had completed his most recent film, one aptly titled II Macho.

"Berger was pretty drunk and he sat on Monzon's lap," Sabbatini said. "Then he tried to put his hand inside of Monzon's shirt. Monzon threw him across the room and was going after him when my driver Gino stopped him. Gino is a big guy. He is Monzon's bodyguard in Rome."

To protect Monzon from the adoring public?

Sabbatini roared with laughter. "No, to protect him from what can happen to the public."