My Top Ten Greatest Heavyweight Champs Of All Time!

[Demorak]

not really greatness. i rank them by how they would do against each other head-to-head in their primes.

you really think Liston would beat Foreman? if so how?

[Yogi]

no way norton could have beaten prime ali. he was too fast and elusive.

Ali had slowed down just a little bit during the early 70's, but...

If the shorter armed Henry Cooper can reach "prime" Ali with the jab, then Norton certainly could with his superior reach & jab.

If Karl Mildenberger can confuse "prime" Ali with his awkward style and hurt him to the body, then the superior awkwardness and body punching prowless/power of Norton certainly could too.

If an undertrained last minute replacement like George Chuvalo can pressure Ali to the ropes, hit him with a few right hands upstairs and rake him to the body, then the superior everything of Norton certainly could.

All that equals to...Ken Norton W-15 Muhammad Ali

Isn't that how you reason your "fantasy" fight picks, my friend?

[Southpaw Stinger]

If the shorter armed Henry Cooper can reach "prime" Ali with the jab, then Norton certainly could with his superior reach & jab.

Admittidly though the clay that fought cooper was before his prime. He looked like a lanky teenager in that fight and was still honinh his skills.
I think Norton caused more problems for Ali than Frazier and I would never rule him out against any Ali.

[Southpaw Stinger]

I like what Norton said after he beat Ali; "Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee, until there was me!"

[butterfly1964]

Ali had slowed down just a little bit during the early 70's, but...

If the shorter armed Henry Cooper can reach "prime" Ali with the jab, then Norton certainly could with his superior reach & jab.

If Karl Mildenberger can confuse "prime" Ali with his awkward style and hurt him to the body, then the superior awkwardness and body punching prowless/power of Norton certainly could too.

If an undertrained last minute replacement like George Chuvalo can pressure Ali to the ropes, hit him with a few right hands upstairs and rake him to the body, then the superior everything of Norton certainly could.

All that equals to...Ken Norton W-15 Muhammad Ali

Isn't that how you reason your "fantasy" fight picks, my friend?

good one yogi, but rarely does one get in an argument with butterfly1964 and win, so i guess i'll have to shut you down here.

ali wasn't in his prime for cooper, he was smaller, weaker, and inexperienced.

mildenberger is a southpaw, norton is not. plus that body shot from mildenberger in the tenth round is overrated. i watched it, and from what i see, about 5sec later ali looked fine and was on the offensive and guess what? in that same round where mildenberger "rocked" ali to the body, ali hit karl with a wicked right hand that dropped "miltenberger"( ) to the canvas so hard that karl rolled over, lol!!!

also did ali train hard for the chuvalo fight either? certainly not. he weighed the most he ever weighed for a fight up to that point 214 1/2lb. the heaviest he ever weighed before that was 210 1/2 against liston in '64. so ali wasn't that prepared either. and plus the chuvalo fight was one of the most lopsided fights i have ever witnessed, so i don't see how chuvalo did anything really that competitive to give himself a chance to win that fight.

also, when ali danced on norton, ken couldn't really do any thing, so prime ali would dance mostly the whole fight, and norton would definetely lose.

[butterfly1964]

you really think Liston would beat Foreman? if so how?

liston has the better boxing skills, and they are close in power. liston would either out point foreman, or ko him late.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

liston has the better boxing skills, and they are close in power. liston would either out point foreman, or ko him late.

Lison maybe a better boxer but no where near as strong as foreman, no wear near. Frazier was also a better boxer then Foreman, look what happened to him. Foreman would destroy liston in 3 rounds

Lison is underrated but this would be an easy bout for foreman IMO

*if not in 3 rounds in less then 6

[butterfly1964]

Lison maybe a better boxer but no where near as strong as foreman, no wear near. Frazier was also a better boxer then Foreman, look what happened to him. Foreman would destroy liston in 3 rounds

Lison is underrated but this would be an easy bout for foreman IMO

*if not in 3 rounds in less then 6

frazier lost cause he's a swarmer. liston has the same style foreman has. they are close in power and strength. but liston is more technically sound than foreman. sonny's like a bigger, stronger joe louis. so liston would win by either ud or late ko, but foreman has a great chance of ending the fight, but i think liston would get the nod.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

frazier lost cause he's a swarmer. liston has the same style foreman has. they are close in power and strength. but liston is more technically sound than foreman. sonny's like a bigger, stronger joe louis. so liston would win by either ud or late ko, but foreman has a great chance of ending the fight, but i think liston would get the nod.

I have to completely disagree

because your telling me that
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will beat this

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Liston is physically p4p probably as big as Foreman and p4p Liston is probably stronger but in reality Foreman is stronger
Foreman,Shavers,Marciano,Tyson all hit harder then Liston and i'm not underrating him either because i used to rank him lower then that until i actually saw some of his fights (pics and bio's)

Foreman is taller, longer reach,Stronger,

there chins are close
Liston probably has a few more rounds of stamina and there chins are probably near equal but i still see liston going to throw a punch and Foreman just wailing him to death

If liston can get by the 6th round i'd probably give the nod to liston but i doubht it would go that long

[butterfly1964]

I have to completely disagree

because your telling me that
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will beat this

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Liston is physically p4p probably as big as Foreman and p4p Liston is probably stronger but in reality Foreman is stronger
Foreman,Shavers,Marciano,Tyson all hit harder then Liston and i'm not underrating him either because i used to rank him lower then that until i actually saw some of his fights (pics and bio's)

Foreman is taller, longer reach,Stronger,

there chins are close
Liston probably has a few more rounds of stamina and there chins are probably near equal but i still see liston going to throw a punch and Foreman just wailing him to death

If liston can get by the 6th round i'd probably give the nod to liston but i doubht it would go that long

punching power: foreman yes. shavers, eh, yes. marciano hell, friggin no! tyson, no!

liston has the longer reach. 84 compared to 81 1/2 of foreman.

liston has quicker hands and better boxing skills. liston would just pick him apart and embarass him with his superior boxing skills and then ko him late.