Ali or Louis?

[Rolling Stone]

Actually what I stated was a fact. What you said......."seeing how Billy Conn handled Louis should be enough for anyone to realise Louis would'nt be able to handle Ali's speed and movement......" wasn't very objective. You left out how Louis weight drained himself in order to not appear so much bigger than Conn and how the fight was very close up until Louis turned the lights out. You didn't address Cox's points about Ali dropping his right, pulling his head straight back or having problems with someone who caught his jab and parried it. At their absolute peaks either fighter could beat the other. I lean towards Louis based on his ko power and finishing skills.

And Ali chin was great, but George Chuvalo's was the best of all time.

you're reasoning for a Louis victory is his KO power and finishing??? Shavers, Liston, Foreman, Lyle, Frazier, pretty much a who's who of the biggest punchers the division has ever seen couldn't manage to put Ali away..... Joe Louis couldn't handle Conn's speed and Conn had that fight in the bag if he hadn't decided to push for the knockout.... Chuvalo might've had a great chin but that chin was unable to prevent him from getting stopped several times

Louis's footwork was good for his time but he wouldn't be able to cut off the ring to even lay a glove on Ali in his prime.....that Cox's corner's article is not even worthy of a quote cause there is always a counter arguement....

the so called flaws in Ali's game didn't prevent him from laying waste to the entire heavyweight division in his prime.....Louis likes to mention how Ali got hit to the body too much.....which version of Ali was that? Ali leans his head back, well then why wasn't patterson, Liston or any other heavyweight able to exploit this flaw in his prime??? and what makes you believe Louis would've done better than Patterson or Liston?? what does Louis possess that Patterson or Liston didn't to reach Ali???

[Spartacus Sully]

you're reasoning for a Louis victory is his KO power and finishing??? Shavers, Liston, Foreman, Lyle, Frazier, pretty much a who's who of the biggest punchers the division has ever seen couldn't manage to put Ali away..... Joe Louis couldn't handle Conn's speed and Conn had that fight in the bag if he hadn't decided to push for the knockout.... Chuvalo might've had a great chin but that chin was unable to prevent him from getting stopped several times

Louis's footwork was good for his time but he wouldn't be able to cut off the ring to even lay a glove on Ali in his prime.....that Cox's corner's article is not even worthy of a quote cause there is always a counter arguement....

the so called flaws in Ali's game didn't prevent him from laying waste to the entire heavyweight division in his prime.....Louis likes to mention how Ali got hit to the body too much.....which version of Ali was that? Ali leans his head back, well then why wasn't patterson, Liston or any other heavyweight able to exploit this flaw in his prime??? and what makes you believe Louis would've done better than Patterson or Liston?? what does Louis possess that Patterson or Liston didn't to reach Ali???

louis was a much different puncher. all those guys, they knocked people out with concussions rattled their brains lots of force not as much speed and the force would easily be negated by rolling with the punch. louis on the other hand inflicted so much pain unto your head that you just couldn't fight any more. more speed with less force behind it making the same impact but its something that ali wouldn't have been able to roll with.

similar to trying to cut a hanging piece of paper in half with a sledge hammer or a small twig. the sledge hammer wont swing that fast and is just going to move the paper while you can swing the small twig really fast and rip right through it before it can move.

[Rolling Stone]

louis was a much different puncher. all those guys, they knocked people out with concussions rattled their brains lots of force not as much speed and the force would easily be negated by rolling with the punch. louis on the other hand inflicted so much pain unto your head that you just couldn't fight any more. more speed with less force behind it making the same impact but its something that ali wouldn't have been able to roll with.

similar to trying to cut a hanging piece of paper in half with a sledge hammer or a small twig. the sledge hammer wont swing that fast and is just going to move the paper while you can swing the small twig really fast and rip right through it before it can move.

Louis had more speed than Patterson???

Louis inflicted so much pain into your head???? how exactly is louis going to connect to Ali's head so often????

[JAB5239]

you're reasoning for a Louis victory is his KO power and finishing??? Shavers, Liston, Foreman, Lyle, Frazier, pretty much a who's who of the biggest punchers the division has ever seen couldn't manage to put Ali away.....

None of those guys had the combination of power, speed and accuracy Louis had, and none of them were even close to his combination punching ability. I agree Ali would be Louis toughest fight, but that would work the other way as well.

Joe Louis couldn't handle Conn's speed and Conn had that fight in the bag if he hadn't decided to push for the knockout.... Chuvalo might've had a great chin but that chin was unable to prevent him from getting stopped several times

Conn did not have the fight in the bag and ultimately lost, that is the bottom line. On top of that him and Ali didn't fight very much alike except for movement.

Chuvalo was never stopped because of his chin, but because of what he lacked in skills. THAT is not even debatable.

Louis's footwork was good for his time but he wouldn't be able to cut off the ring to even lay a glove on Ali in his prime.....that Cox's corner's article is not even worthy of a quote cause there is always a counter arguement....

Im willing to listen, but so far I haven't heard one.

the so called flaws in Ali's game didn't prevent him from laying waste to the entire heavyweight division in his prime.....Louis likes to mention how Ali got hit to the body too much.....which version of Ali was that? Ali leans his head back, well then why wasn't patterson, Liston or any other heavyweight able to exploit this flaw in his prime??? and what makes you believe Louis would've done better than Patterson or Liston?? what does Louis possess that Patterson or Liston didn't to reach Ali???

Louis was much better than ANYONE Ali fought. To not give him a chance and just claim he would get beat is not objective at all.

[Spartacus Sully]

Louis had more speed than Patterson???

Louis inflicted so much pain into your head???? how exactly is louis going to connect to Ali's head so often????

well theres different kinds of speeds theres acceleration of you fist, top speed of your fist, speed of your feet, speed of your combos, ect. while i dont know all that much about Patterson im thinking he had some good acceleration of his hands which helps bring them back in that allowed for good combo speed and being lighter good foot speed. The top speed of his fist was really no where near that of louis's and this top speed is what would make the difference between damaging ali's face and just moving it out of the way.

well hes not going to be connecting often just like any one else that faced ali but the difference is that when he does connect hes not simply pushing alis head out of the way as ali rolls with it but instead hes actually bruising his face, cutting it up, breaking his jaw, cheek bones, and ribs.

[Rolling Stone]

Louis was much better than ANYONE Ali fought. To not give him a chance and just claim he would get beat is not objective at all.

read my earlier posts and i made my point several times...not gonna bother repeating myself.......we can go over and over for several hours, i gotta study lol

[Rolling Stone]

well theres different kinds of speeds theres acceleration of you fist, top speed of your fist, speed of your feet, speed of your combos, ect. while i dont know all that much about Patterson im thinking he had some good acceleration of his hands which helps bring them back in that allowed for good combo speed and being lighter good foot speed. The top speed of his fist was really no where near that of louis's and this top speed is what would make the difference between damaging ali's face and just moving it out of the way.

well hes not going to be connecting often just like any one else that faced ali but the difference is that when he does connect hes not simply pushing alis head out of the way as ali rolls with it but instead hes actually bruising his face, cutting it up, breaking his jaw, cheek bones, and ribs.

i didn't even bother reading that rambling rant.....i doubt you've even seen more than 2 ali and louis fights

[Spartacus Sully]

i didn't even bother reading that rambling rant.....i doubt you've even seen more than 2 ali and louis fights

Ive seen at least 4 different ali fights!!!!!! and 3 louis fights!!!!!

did they have more then that?

what i really havnt seen much of is the people they fought fighting other people.

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Seems as though this debate got pretty heated.

[StarshipTrooper]

Seems as though this debate got pretty heated.

Forum trolls tend to have that effect

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