Is Naseem Hamed A ATG Featherweight?

[CarlosG815]

to be honest, obviously your an older american with a degree of boxing knowledge, however when it comes to boxing the majority of Americans act the same. Whatever age. They dont give credit where credits due to non american fighters - so whether it be Lennox Lewis, Naseem Hamed, Joe Calzaghe, Azumah Nelson, Manny Pac, David Haye etc, they just dont recieve any credit. How many Naseem Hamed fights have you watched to make a judgement on him? if you just watched the fights on HBO, dont bother typing back.

That just isn't true, I disagree. You have the wrong opinion of the general American. The US is a melting pot of people. Everyday of the week I deal with people of a different nationality - I don't even notice it, and the same goes for boxing.

The fighters you mention above will always be suspect and criticized, not because of where they're from, but from the way they performed in the ring.

Of the list you post, outside of Hamed and Pac (who I don't believe get any hate. Pacquiao is beloved around this nation, and Hamed was extremely popular, despite his lack of technique and defense), you could make a case for all of those fighters being, for the most part, phony. They're just not that talented, and they're not the least bit entertaining.

American's don't care where a person is from, as long as they entertain us.

You can be a halfway talented singer of Indian descent (Jay Sean), but if you can entertain you can be beloved, make millions, and have your poster plastered over every teenage girls bedroom wall. You can be a 5'5 poor Filipino man, but if you can fight, you will be beloved, wealthy beyond imagination, and have your own display at Foot Locker's and other sports apparel stores all over this country.

That is the reality of the United States, not your view. You are very very wrong in what you say, and I can't help but think you have a blind loyalty to your native fighters only because you share their hometown. I don't think it's so much American's are bias, I think it's the Euro's who are more bias.

American's are such a huge melting pot that we really don't have blind loyalty to our native fighters.

People nationwide LOVED Oscar DLH and Manny Pacquiao, but the majority of American's can't stand Floyd Mayweather, that's a prime example.

If you're an American and you're not very good at what you do, we'll let you know and your career will end - we are fast paced and have a short attention span - out with the old and boring, in with the new and exciting, regardless of where he comes from.

Give him a Nike endorsement and a 500' poster hanging over every major interstate.

Now you got American's running around in shoes that carry the colors of the Filipino flag.

That's America for ya, buddy. Hate to burst your bubble but those guys you named are boring and provide little entertainment value, and will be remembered as such because that's what they were. Not because they were British or European.

[StarshipTrooper]

to be honest, obviously your an older american with a degree of boxing knowledge, however when it comes to boxing the majority of Americans act the same. Whatever age. They dont give credit where credits due to non american fighters - so whether it be Lennox Lewis, Naseem Hamed, Joe Calzaghe, Azumah Nelson, Manny Pac, David Haye etc, they just dont recieve any credit. How many Naseem Hamed fights have you watched to make a judgement on him? if you just watched the fights on HBO, dont bother typing back.

I would point out that I happen to be American and I've been a fan of fighters from all over the world. Here's a short list (no particular order):

Bob Fitzsimmons
Nigel Benn
Herol Graham
Chris Ewbank
Frank Bruno
Max Schmeling
Roberto Duran
Eder Jofre
Pascual Perez
Alexis Arguello
Azumah Nelson
Kostya Tszyu
ect. ect. ect.

I could go on and on. Some of these fighters rank very high on my ATG lists; such as Duran, Arguello, Nelson, Jofre, Perez, Fitzsimmons. No hometown bias here.

Poet

[CarlosG815]

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Bob Fitzsimmons
Nigel Benn
Herol Graham
Chris Ewbank
Frank Bruno
Max Schmeling
Roberto Duran
Eder Jofre
Pascual Perez
Alexis Arguello
Azumah Nelson
Kostya Tszyu
ect. ect. ect.

I could go on and on. Some of these fighters rank very high on my ATG lists; such as Duran, Arguello, Nelson, Jofre, Perez, Fitzsimmons. No hometown bias here.

Poet

The Great Ted "Kid" Lewis was a killer that tried to punch your guts out your backside.

Very entertaining fighter at a time when most guys would pitter patter.

[DeepSleep]

That just isn't true, I disagree. You have the wrong opinion of the general American. The US is a melting pot of people. Everyday of the week I deal with people of a different nationality - I don't even notice it, and the same goes for boxing.

The fighters you mention above will always be suspect and criticized, not because of where they're from, but from the way they performed in the ring.

Of the list you post, outside of Hamed and Pac (who I don't believe get any hate. Pacquiao is beloved around this nation, and Hamed was extremely popular, despite his lack of technique and defense), you could make a case for all of those fighters being, for the most part, phony. They're just not that talented, and they're not the least bit entertaining.

American's don't care where a person is from, as long as they entertain us.

You can be a halfway talented singer of Indian descent (Jay Sean), but if you can entertain you can be beloved, make millions, and have your poster plastered over every teenage girls bedroom wall. You can be a 5'5 poor Filipino man, but if you can fight, you will be beloved, wealthy beyond imagination, and have your own display at Foot Locker's and other sports apparel stores all over this country.

That is the reality of the United States, not your view. You are very very wrong in what you say, and I can't help but think you have a blind loyalty to your native fighters only because you share their hometown. I don't think it's so much American's are bias, I think it's the Euro's who are more bias.

American's are such a huge melting pot that we really don't have blind loyalty to our native fighters.

People nationwide LOVED Oscar DLH and Manny Pacquiao, but the majority of American's can't stand Floyd Mayweather, that's a prime example.

If you're an American and you're not very good at what you do, we'll let you know and your career will end - we are fast paced and have a short attention span - out with the old and boring, in with the new and exciting, regardless of where he comes from.

Give him a Nike endorsement and a 500' poster hanging over every major interstate.

Now you got American's running around in shoes that carry the colors of the Filipino flag.

That's America for ya, buddy. Hate to burst your bubble but those guys you named are boring and provide little entertainment value, and will be remembered as such because that's what they were. Not because they were British or European.

Azumah Nelson not that talented? Nelson is many times the fighter that Hamed was.

[CarlosG815]

Azumah Nelson not that talented? Nelson is many times the fighter that Hamed was.

I'm not familiar with him, I was speaking in general of the other fighters.

[The Hate Giver]

Legendary, YES...
ATG, how long is the list are we talking? Mine, NOPE...
HOF'er, if he makes it, then yes, I feel he will make it..

how can you be legendary yet not be a ATG?


LEGENDARY>ATG>HALL OF FAMER.


Naseem Hamed was a perpetrated british media hype job. i hate all this hardest punching featherweight ever. Who did he knock out that was elite?

kevin kelley?


GTFO.


There's a reason why he is not in the hall of fame. The never beat a great fighter. Yet he is this badass mini earnie shavers because what, he could dance & knock out bums like tom johnson?


the first elite fighter he ever faced he got ****d like he was some prison beyotch & barerra playing bernard hopkins as the rapist.

[CarlosG815]

how can you be legendary yet not be a ATG?


LEGENDARY>ATG>HALL OF FAMER.


Naseem Hamed was a perpetrated british media hype job. i hate all this hardest punching featherweight ever. Who did he knock out that was elite?

kevin kelley?


GTFO.


There's a reason why he is not in the hall of fame. The never beat a great fighter. Yet he is this badass mini earnie shavers because what, he could dance & knock out bums like tom johnson?


the first elite fighter he ever faced he got ****d like he was some prison beyotch & barerra playing bernard hopkins as the rapist.

I noticed his idiocy but I didn't even bother responding. Tani is one of the worst *******s on this board and has never made an ounce of sense in any of his idiotic posts.

It's well known that Hamed had incredible punching power. To say he didn't because he only knocked out nobodies and Kevin Kelley just isn't true.

Naz was packing dynamite. True, he couldn't land it on Barrera because Barrera was actually really good, but if he landed a few of those bombs he would have hurt Barrera bad.

Naz hit harder at fw than Morales, Pacquiao and Barrera.

[mickey malone]

This thread is incredible!.. So many people discussing ATG featherweights who arn't familiar or didn't follow the careers of Gomez, Nelson, Fenech etc.. Does anyone on here, know who trained Hamed? or more to the point, who trained him for the Barrera fight?.. I doubt some of you even know what stance he boxed..

As a matter of fact, Hamed was a ****** and horrible little man who when it comes to consideration for greatness, clawed defeat away from the jaws of victory..
Had Allah been looking down on him the night he fought Barrera, we were going to have to suffer a highly inappropriate ****** ceremony just before all of his fights.. A bigotted, but highly talented fighter who bailed out b4 he ever beat an ATG, let alone became one..

Why did he bail out:-

1. He'd become a smart arse, and no one would work with him.. He handed over all of his affairs to big brother brother, Raith, who knew as much about boxing as you could write on the back of a 10 penny stamp..

2. After losing to Barerra, he embarrased his fellow ******s, and realized that he could not use the sport of boxing to promote his religion.. The whole thing was about him being the unbeatable Prince to the profit Muhammad lol.. Once that was blown, he couldn't wait to get outta there...

3. He'd been grossly overpaid, and was terribly eager to look like Diego Maradona.

Basically, if he wasn't such a knob, he would have been ATG imo..
He had an extrordinary skillset, and was equal to Wilfredo Gomez in power.. There was nothing wrong with his resume and had he evened the score with Barrera, i'd have him there..

My assessment is that he was very good, but not great, and belongs just outside the top 10 as far as i'm concerned.. I would however, rate him in my top 10 ATG of fighters to watch..

[Chew BackAtacha]

That just isn't true, I disagree. You have the wrong opinion of the general American. The US is a melting pot of people. Everyday of the week I deal with people of a different nationality - I don't even notice it, and the same goes for boxing.

The fighters you mention above will always be suspect and criticized, not because of where they're from, but from the way they performed in the ring.

That's America for ya, buddy. Hate to burst your bubble but those guys you named are boring and provide little entertainment value, and will be remembered as such because that's what they were. Not because they were British or European.

aye ok m8

[CarlosG815]

aye ok m8

Can't come up with a better response?

Please, I would seriously like to know your thoughts. You threw out an accusation, and I posted rebuttal, and that's all you can do is reply with an emoticon?