Would Tyson of beaten Holyfield, Foreman and Lewis between 86-90 befoe douglas defeat

[them_apples]

Who did Tyson fight who was comparable to Liston in your opinion?

nobody really, Liston had an awkward build - incredible reach, short smallish legs. He boxed as well, he didn't really brawl or look for the KO.


I'm going to say, Tyson and Patterson did have similarities, but keep in mind so did Marvis and Joe Frazier.

Heres my reasons:

Liston is very slow, Tyson starts very fast and is fast.
Liston isn't the "big bear" in this fight. Liston had huge arms, but other than that he's giving up 5-10 lbs in weight.

[Toney616]

nobody really, Liston had an awkward build - incredible reach, short smallish legs. He boxed as well, he didn't really brawl or look for the KO.


I'm going to say, Tyson and Patterson did have similarities, but keep in mind so did Marvis and Joe Frazier.

Heres my reasons:

Liston is very slow, Tyson starts very fast and is fast.
Liston isn't the "big bear" in this fight. Liston had huge arms, but other than that he's giving up 5-10 lbs in weight.

Theres a good chance that Tyson would be intimidated by Liston (which would affect his game plan) and Tyson was also a front runner who tended to slow down after round 4. If Liston was still there after the round 4 it would be a long night for Tyson

[them_apples]

Theres a good chance that Tyson would be intimidated by Liston (which would affect his game plan) and Tyson was also a front runner who tended to slow down after round 4. If Liston was still there after the round 4 it would be a long night for Tyson

What you say is partially correct. Tyson did slow down, but only slightly, and it wasn't in round 4. you would start to see him slow down a bit maybe come round 6 or 7 at best. Tyson went 12 rounds effectively in his career - I don't need to bring up references of this i'm sure.

Tyson may have been intimidated, but Liston may have been as well. Liston was scared ****less of Ali, Tyson is no fairy godmother himself.

[Toney616]

What you say is partially correct. Tyson did slow down, but only slightly, and it wasn't in round 4. you would start to see him slow down a bit maybe come round 6 or 7 at best. Tyson went 12 rounds effectively in his career - I don't need to bring up references of this i'm sure.

Tyson may have been intimidated, but Liston may have been as well. Liston was scared ****less of Ali, Tyson is no fairy godmother himself.

The Tucker fight comes to mind. Did Liston ever use clinching as a form of strategy?

[Calilloyd]

nobody really, Liston had an awkward build - incredible reach, short smallish legs. He boxed as well, he didn't really brawl or look for the KO.

I'm going to say, Tyson and Patterson did have similarities, but keep in mind so did Marvis and Joe Frazier.
Heres my reasons:

Liston is very slow, Tyson starts very fast and is fast.
Liston isn't the "big bear" in this fight. Liston had huge arms, but other than that he's giving up 5-10 lbs in weight.

No similarities whatsoever between those two. They did not even have the same build. You make some off the wall comments sometime. And Liston had "short smallish legs?" Didn't brawl or "look for the KO?" Did you miss his fights with Cleveland Williams, Patterson, or Ali? You need to stop with your rewriting of history. It's getting old and it's annoying. Liston's peak weight was about the same as Tyson's (212-218) So there is no giving up pounds for either of them.

[Calilloyd]

What you say is partially correct. Tyson did slow down, but only slightly, and it wasn't in round 4. you would start to see him slow down a bit maybe come round 6 or 7 at best. Tyson went 12 rounds effectively in his career - I don't need to bring up references of this i'm sure.

Tyson may have been intimidated, but Liston may have been as well. Liston was scared ****less of Ali, Tyson is no fairy godmother himself.

No he wasn't.

[them_apples]

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No similarities whatsoever between those two. They did not even have the same build. You make some off the wall comments sometime. And Liston had "short smallish legs?" Didn't brawl or "look for the KO?" Did you miss his fights with Cleveland Williams, Patterson, or Ali? You need to stop with your rewriting of history. It's getting old and it's annoying. Liston's peak weight was about the same as Tyson's (212-218) So there is no giving up pounds for either of them.

No similarities? Ok what about buster Mathis jr? I don't need to re-write history to make the point I was trying to make. I thought buddah was hinting at Patterson as a reason to why Liston would hammer Tyson. You probably felt all cool coming in here and throwing some bold statements at me, but regardless I made my point.

and Yes, Liston was scared ****less of Ali, which is why he got battered in the second fight so badly. He even said Ali was a crazy mofo. Ali acted like a nut bag to scare Liston.

Last but not least, Liston had skinny ass legs compared to his upper body. thats my opinion either way.

Anyways, Liston was good but he is no ATG in my book.

[American_Ninja]

When Tyson won the title in 86 he was the man for 4years and dominated the heavyweight divison by becoming Undisputed champion. The only fighter that gave tyson a fight was Tucker and in the end tyson outpointed him. He dominated Holmes, Spinks and all the other number 1 contenders. What do you think would of happend if tyson fought Holyfield, foreman and Lewis in the 80's before the defeat to douglas in 1990?

Tyson was the best of his era in his prime.

[MARKBNLV]

Prime Tyson would have been destroyed by a Prime George Forman.

Styles make fights.....

Prime Tyson would have been beaten by Sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali as well.Liston by early KO,and by a close decision to Ali.

Tyson would have destroyed Lewis.

Dont agree Lewis was to big it would be hard for Tyson to hit him flush,i also believe a prime Evander beats a prime Tyson.

[CarlosG815]

Dont agree Lewis was to big it would be hard for Tyson to hit him flush,i also believe a prime Evander beats a prime Tyson.

90% of Tyson's KO's were guy's of Lewis' size, so wtf are you talking about?

Lewis is the most overrated HW ever. Talk about a snoozer and a guy who fought in a weak era, and still lost to Rahman and Byrd.