Would Tyson of beaten Holyfield, Foreman and Lewis between 86-90 befoe douglas defeat

[StarshipTrooper]

Typical 40 some year old living in mom's basement Poet. Contributes nothing to a thread, just trolls and tries to instigate with people who have a different opinion from his own, then gets upset when people cheap shot him. It's obvious that you thrive on instigating, probably because you got beat up a lot when you were young.

That's why nobody likes you, and it explains why you have no friends.

Tyson is well known for his tremendous skill and ability. A guy who was heavyweight champion at 19 is such a chump. I've never read a single thread where you give him a shred of credit for anything he's done.

You're just a typical hater. You think by nuthugging boxers from 80 years ago it makes you more credible and more knowledgeable, but in reality it just exposes you as the one dimensional boxing fan you are - nobody today is as good as anybody then, and your favorite boxers of old could beat any boxer today.

Was Tyson not as fast as I'm thinking he is? Were his combination's not as effective as they looked? Was his punching power weaker than it looks on film? What is it, Poet? What am I overestimating when it comes to skill, technique, and ability?

Try using logic and reason.....no wait: You aren't capable of that! Every post you make is the emotional spasm of a true believer that's offended that someone doesn't rate his boy as high as he does. Newsflash Junior: Not everyone is going to worship at the alter of your favorite fighter. Better get used to it

Poet

[crold1]

I think Holyfield was fine to fight Tyson by 89-90. Douglas beat Holyfield to the punch, but the "L" was coming. I just don't see any way for Tyson to win. Holyfield was more shot than Tyson physically already in 96 but, in both fights, showed off why he could win.

He could take the shot and was never going to be scared.

Tyson caught him in both fights but Holy could take the shots. His short left out of the clinches (and Tyson rarely fought out of clinches) was going to catch Mike all night even then and wear him down.

I think Holy actually beats him even worse if they fight when originally proposed because he threw more and had better legs then. Just more man than Mike.

[CarlosG815]

Try using logic and reason.....no wait: You aren't capable of that! Every post you make is the emotional spasm of a true believer that's offended that someone doesn't rate his boy as high as he does. Newsflash Junior: Not everyone is going to worship at the alter of your favorite fighter. Better get used to it

Poet

Funny, all I did was answer the original question, and you popped your "least eligible bachelor" head in and started with the name calling. What aren't you getting? If you don't instigate, there is no drama. Get a job.

[HaglerSteelChin]

Holyfield was more shot than Tyson physically already in 96 but, in both fights, showed off why he could win.

Excellent Point. I remember days before the fight many boxing commentators were saying that Holyfield should retire he has the money and a heart condition. Holyfield was a BIG underdog for that fight. Sure some like Donald Trump said they bet on the Real Deal and made $$$ but many had odds like 6 or 8 -1. Everyone remember the exact odds?

If that Holyfield did what he did in 96 than we shouldnt count out the 1990 Holyfield vs Tyson.

[StarshipTrooper]

Funny, all I did was answer the original question, and you popped your "least eligible bachelor" head in and started with the name calling. What aren't you getting? If you don't instigate, there is no drama. Get a job.

What you posted was a propaganda piece for your favorite fighter. This isn't NSB: You should post over there with the other demented fan-bois not in the Boxing History section. People come here to have serious boxing discussions not to read fan letters and if you make that sort of post in here you WILL get called out on it. If you don't spam the Boxing History section with abject nuthuggery then there's no drama. Get a brain.

Poet

[crold1]

Excellent Point. I remember days before the fight many boxing commentators were saying that Holyfield should retire he has the money and a heart condition. Holyfield was a BIG underdog for that fight. Sure some like Donald Trump said they bet on the Real Deal and made $$$ but many had odds like 6 or 8 -1. Everyone remember the exact odds?

If that Holyfield did what he did in 96 than we shouldnt count out the 1990 Holyfield vs Tyson.

The fight opened at 18-1 and dropped to about 6-1 by fight night. However, that was based on a flawed thought that Holy was WAY more gone than he evidently was.

[CarlosG815]

What you posted was a propaganda piece for your favorite fighter. This isn't NSB: You should post over there with the other demented fan-bois not in the Boxing History section. People come here to have serious boxing discussions not to read fan letters and if you make that sort of post in here you WILL get called out on it. If you don't spam the Boxing History section with abject nuthuggery then there's no drama. Get a brain.

Poet

If you didn't notice, I wasn't the only one who believed Tyson could beat them all in 86-90.

A lot of people share that opinion, and there is a lot of evidence out there in history to support that. I think from 86-90 anybody could make a very strong case that Tyson beats ANYBODY. Face it. You started **** for no reason other than you have nothing else to do, and now you're trying to make it out as if you had a reason, when you know deep in the back of your mind that your childish instigating bull**** is baseless.

And BTW, I've never seen a single thread that involves you that is a "serious boxing discussion." You are well known to come and troll a thread without contributing ANYTHING to it, and it ends up just like this one.

You came into this thread, not to have "a serious discussion" but to take a cheap shot at me. As a matter of fact, that's all that you did, so don't try to make it seem like you come here for serious discussion, as I'm sure a lot of people would agree, coming from you, that's laughable.


You know you're in the wrong. I won't ask you to admit it, as your internet behavior speaks volumes about your personality and I just don't see a person like you ever admitting they're wrong, but just take the first step and let this one go.

[AKATheMack]

You know what, bit of a brain fart this early on my part. Lennox was hella green 86-90, so you're right. Though his late 92 destruction of Ruddock was pretty impressive, so maybe a couple years later, though I guess Mike was behind bars by then.

Old George improved his jab drastically over his younger incarnation, but he wasn't the aggressive, destructive force he was then either. It is too bad that Mike chose to fight nobody Douglas instead of Evander or George.

Im even more pissed Douglas allowed himself to be remembered as a nobody. If he had shown the dedication he showed in the Tyson fight we may be asking ourselves if anybody could have beaten Douglas 90-94 or so. Tyson was a monster offensive fighter, but Evander and George both share an attribute with 1990 Douglas, the ability to take Mikes shots and keep coming. Big George had slowed considerably and could be outboxed, but I cant see any fighter in history bringing the fight to George Foreman and not ending up on their back.

[Prinsemanspoper]

I'm not sure why people continue to claim that Tyson ducked foreman.It seems people forget,for weren't around at the time that foreman was regarded as a big,fat ****** joke.Most regarded his comeback as such too.


There was nothing to gain in Tyson fighting this fat old man as he was too busy clearing his division of real contenders and making a **** load of money doing so.


Just try to ignore Poet.

He is just a hater and a racist.

[AKATheMack]

I'm not sure why people continue to claim that Tyson ducked foreman.It seems people forget,for weren't around at the time that foreman was regarded as a big,fat ****** joke.Most regarded his comeback as such too.


There was nothing to gain in Tyson fighting this fat old man as he was too busy clearing his division of real contenders and making a **** load of money doing so.


Just try to ignore Poet.

He is just a hater and a racist.

That is completely true and there was no upside for Tyson in fighting George, but I believe Mike knew that Big George was still a horrible stylistic match up for him. Fighting George at that point would have still have been as legitimate as fighting Douglas.