Jimmy Young versus Sonny Liston

[shawnkemp804]

If 180 pound Marty Marshall could beat Liston and then go the 10 with him again then Jimmy Young would beat Liston 999 out of 1000.

[Anomalocaris]

If 180 pound Marty Marshall could beat Liston and then go the 10 with him again then Jimmy Young would beat Liston 999 out of 1000.

Have you never heard of context?

Thought not.

[shawnkemp804]

Have you never heard of context?

Thought not.

Have you ever heard of using your big boy brain? Well you don't have a big boy brain. You are just a little kid repeating what you heard somebody on TV say. Liston got beat by a 175-180 pound Marty Marshall but he would beat the 6'2 215/220 pound Jimmy Young because of what now? Because Liston beat the 180 pound Floyd Patterson? Funnys stuff.

[BKM-]

Interesting post that I disagree with some. You may be overboard like Apples is with Marciano. I can find more than 5 heavyweight champs I think would beat Young as long as they are in their prime and I think more than 10 as well: Dempsey, Tunney, Louis, Walcott, Charles, Patterson, Liston, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, M. Spinks, Tyson, Lewis, Vlad, Fury, Usyk.

I figure all of the above have better than a 50-50 chance of beating old feather fists. This without naming others like Marciano who might wear him down and land one, or Corbett who might outbox him, Johnson who might rassle him to death and Andy Ruiz who might surprise him.

I don't dislike Young. I always admired what he could do without a punch. He beat terrible versions of Ali and Foreman which count for very little. Foreman was at his lowest ebb. Jimmy one of the best pure boxers ever, but a light puncher like most great pure boxers.

Nor do I think Camacho was a master boxer any more than I would call Ali one. Like Ali he relied mostly on his natural gifts of speed, reflexes, and of course running. To me a master boxer has to have a full medicine bag of traditional techniques and tools to be a great pure boxer. Young had those tools and was a better pure boxer than Camacho.

Liston never beat anything even close to a great fighter,which you admitted. Some were decent like Folley, Machen, Williams and maybe Valdez, the others are forgotten detritus. He never beat a near great fighter either.

You listed Patterson as one of the champs who would beat Young, so he must be pretty great.

[Bronson66]

Have you ever heard of using your big boy brain? Well you don't have a big boy brain. You are just a little kid repeating what you heard somebody on TV say. Liston got beat by a 175-180 pound Marty Marshall but he would beat the 6'2 215/220 pound Jimmy Young because of what now? Because Liston beat the 180 pound Floyd Patterson? Funnys stuff.

MoneyTheMan F**K OFF! Go find another forum to get banned from.

[shawnkemp804]

Interesting post that I disagree with some. You may be overboard like Apples is with Marciano. I can find more than 5 heavyweight champs I think would beat Young as long as they are in their prime and I think more than 10 as well: Dempsey, Tunney, Louis, Walcott, Charles, Patterson, Liston, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, M. Spinks, Tyson, Lewis, Vlad, Fury, Usyk.

I figure all of the above have better than a 50-50 chance of beating old feather fists. This without naming others like Marciano who might wear him down and land one, or Corbett who might outbox him, Johnson who might rassle him to death and Andy Ruiz who might surprise him.

I don't dislike Young. I always admired what he could do without a punch. He beat terrible versions of Ali and Foreman which count for very little. Foreman was at his lowest ebb. Jimmy one of the best pure boxers ever, but a light puncher like most great pure boxers.

Nor do I think Camacho was a master boxer any more than I would call Ali one. Like Ali he relied mostly on his natural gifts of speed, reflexes, and of course running. To me a master boxer has to have a full medicine bag of traditional techniques and tools to be a great pure boxer. Young had those tools and was a better pure boxer than Camacho.

Liston never beat anything even close to a great fighter,which you admitted. Some were decent like Folley, Machen, Williams and maybe Valdez, the others are forgotten detritus. He never beat a near great fighter either.

Lol the 6'3 230 pound George Foreman didn't wear Young down but the 180 pound Rocky Marciano would? Good oh God could we just have one post about boxing without dudes like you bringing up Marciano?

Usyk could barely beat Chisora, he couldn't out box Chisora, there is no way he out boxing Young. Ezzard Charles was a natural 170 pound guy so not a modern heavyweight and he wouldn't out boxed a man much bigger than him. Gene Tunney was a 170 pound guy. God it is funny how white dudes like you can't grasp that boxing has weight classes. This is how I know a white person is typing. They will keep bringing up 170 pound guys when talking about heavyweights. Gene Tunney was considered skill for 1910/1920 standards but that style is primitive now. So he is too unskilled by modern standards and too small to beat Jimmy Young. Dempsey the same thing as Tunney. Liston lost to 180 pound Marty Marshall so there is no way he is beating Jimmy Young who is actually bigger than Liston. Joe Louis struggled with 170 pound Billy Conn but you think he is beating Jimmy Young? Not in this reality. Walcott was a 190 pounds and lost to guys with losing records and fought in a much worse era than Jimmy Young. Floyd Patterson isn't beating Jimmy Young.

Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Larry Holmes etc could possibly beat Young depending on what Young showed up and how corrupt the judges are. For example Jimmy Young beat Ali everybody ring side believed Young won. The fans booed the decision. Young won and got robbed.

[billeau2]

Interesting post that I disagree with some. You may be overboard like Apples is with Marciano. I can find more than 5 heavyweight champs I think would beat Young as long as they are in their prime and I think more than 10 as well: Dempsey, Tunney, Louis, Walcott, Charles, Patterson, Liston, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, M. Spinks, Tyson, Lewis, Vlad, Fury, Usyk.

I figure all of the above have better than a 50-50 chance of beating old feather fists. This without naming others like Marciano who might wear him down and land one, or Corbett who might outbox him, Johnson who might rassle him to death and Andy Ruiz who might surprise him.

I don't dislike Young. I always admired what he could do without a punch. He beat terrible versions of Ali and Foreman which count for very little. Foreman was at his lowest ebb. Jimmy one of the best pure boxers ever, but a light puncher like most great pure boxers.

Nor do I think Camacho was a master boxer any more than I would call Ali one. Like Ali he relied mostly on his natural gifts of speed, reflexes, and of course running. To me a master boxer has to have a full medicine bag of traditional techniques and tools to be a great pure boxer. Young had those tools and was a better pure boxer than Camacho.

Liston never beat anything even close to a great fighter,which you admitted. Some were decent like Folley, Machen, Williams and maybe Valdez, the others are forgotten detritus. He never beat a near great fighter either.

I don't think the less of any poster for having an opinion that is in the minority including them apples. Your first point is framed by the assertion "what I think.". So the first paragraph or so you trying to diminish with a comparison to another poster who happens to be very knowledgeable about boxing regardless of any particular POV, and then you simply state that you disagree which more power to you buddy!

You fail to see the part of what made young special was his ability to defy the odds, almost a bit like Marciano actually come to think of it... I'm not commenting on 50/50 chances or anything like that simply saying there was no way Young was going to beat foreman for example, or that he should have been able to hang in there with Norton and with the acorn, who did knock him out but tied in the next fight, and Lyle. Many people feel he also beat Allie as well.

When I go by is tape. I can't really post links here for some reason and that frustrates me to try, but go look up the compilation where Jimmy Young's technique is analyzed on YouTube and you'll get some sense of what I am looking at.

You're a bit of a clown... First again I don't really need to know what you think. You can agree to disagree. If you have information about that opinion I'd love to hear it that's great.

So we disagree about what makes a master boxer...ok. But what really gets me? You take a Sonny Listen quote out of context and call me on it. Read what I wrote about Sonny listing clown okay? Then get back to me and make your point. You literally are taking half of the information related to the statement, and in addition to that you're not giving the context I gave for the statement initially so it sounds totally bogus. Hint it's not what I said by any means or stretch of imagination. You just seem real intent on gotcha

[Anomalocaris]

Have you ever heard of using your big boy brain? Well you don't have a big boy brain. You are just a little kid repeating what you heard somebody on TV say. Liston got beat by a 175-180 pound Marty Marshall but he would beat the 6'2 215/220 pound Jimmy Young because of what now? Because Liston beat the 180 pound Floyd Patterson? Funnys stuff.

When you use pitiful, childish insults you have already lost the argument 'Big Boy'.

[shawnkemp804]

When you use pitiful, childish insults you have already lost the argument 'Big Boy'.

Lol your mom thinks I am huge. Much bigger than your daddy little boy, also you can't argue with a little child. That is what you are. You aren't a boxing fan. You are just a little kid who think if he pretends to be a boxing fan he will be edgy and cool. Your boxing knowledge is basically you watch a YouTube video about boxing and now think you are a expert.

I made a factual statement. What did Liston do with his boxing career besides beat a 180 pound Floyd Patterson? Liston was so great because of what ? Him losing to 180 pound Marty Marshall? Now little goofy kids like you act like this guy was unbeatable? Lol he wasn't beating top level modern heavyweights. He was beating 180 pound guys. Maybe go back to watching your little YouTube videos about boxing and stop pretending to actually know a darn thing about boxing.

[Bronson66]

Lol your mom thinks I am huge. Much bigger than your daddy little boy, also you can't argue with a little child. That is what you are. You aren't a boxing fan. You are just a little kid who think if he pretends to be a boxing fan he will be edgy and cool. Your boxing knowledge is basically you watch a YouTube video about boxing and now think you are a expert.

I made a factual statement. What did Liston do with his boxing career besides beat a 180 pound Floyd Patterson? Liston was so great because of what ? Him losing to 180 pound Marty Marshall? Now little goofy kids like you act like this guy was unbeatable? Lol he wasn't beating top level modern heavyweights. He was beating 180 pound guys. Maybe go back to watching your little YouTube videos about boxing and stop pretending to actually know a darn thing about boxing.

Not only a moron and a liar, but a thoroughly nasty piece of work as well.