glove cheaters???

[Bronson66]

no. which round?






Yes. I don't remember the salts. but i definitely remember the glove tear thing because ali was gone from that knockdown

The salts were administered by cornerman Chickie Ferrara. The glove tear was really a non issue,some stitching had come loose around the base of the thumb,the time delay was only a few seconds,and Cooper's corner also had that extra time to work on his cuts. Ali came out meaning business in the next round and overwhelmed Cooper.

[Asmodeus]

I was unaware Crawford had ever been accused of this.

It literally got exposed mid-fight. when else have you ever watched a televised fight where a ref allows compromised gloves in a fight?
and the follow up excuses are what confirmed he was cheating.

then in the dazn broadcast for crawford vs that last bum he last fought. the commentators mentioned that it HAPPENED AGAIN.
he was forced to use different gloves. and all of a sudden he is a pillow puncher.

[Asmodeus]

The salts were administered by cornerman Chickie Ferrara. The glove tear was really a non issue,some stitching had come loose around the base of the thumb,the time delay was only a few seconds,and Cooper's corner also had that extra time to work on his cuts. Ali came out meaning business in the next round and overwhelmed Cooper.

This is a lie. And angelo dundees confession/testimony directly contradicts your lies.

[Asmodeus]

Dillian Whyte allegedly changed gloves after the glove selection meeting in his fight against Oscar Rivas, but I don't think anything came of it. Most of the attention out of that fight was on Whyte's failed PED test, plus Rivas dropping him with an uppercut.

beetlejuice does seem like the type to glove tamper tbh

[Willie Pep 229]

This is a lie. And angelo dundees confession/testimony directly contradicts your lies.

Angelo Dundee never missed an opportunity to make himself important.

He further exaggerated that torn glove story with each telling. The fight was delayed only a few seconds. It was the salt that saved Clay. You can see his head jerk back and his eyes come to life.

Dundee also claims he had to push Clay off the stool in the imfamous 5th round of fight one with Liston. Further claiming that he pulled the stool from the ring so Clay couldn't sit back down.

This too was a BS story. Clay stands up on his own and the stool is removed by a different second. There is no effort by Clay to sit back down.

Dundee is from the old school of boxing, never let the truth get in the way of a good story and he never did.

[Bronson66]

This is a lie. And angelo dundees confession/testimony directly contradicts your lies.

I have the two books Dundee wrote and the two Pacheco wrote,I have also seen the unedited fight numerous times with a stopwatch in the corner of the screen.
I don't know you and would not call you a liar,though you have called me one.What I will call you is an ignorant fool!

"When Clay got back to the corner, [assistant trainer Chickie Ferrara] can be seen putting smelling salts under his nose. You see in the film, Clay jerks his head back away from it, and of course, smelling salts were illegal. (Chief second) Angelo Dundee got away with [having them in the corner.]”

Clay would recover and win as predicted in the fifth round. Or, as Hart recalls, "Clay stopped f***king about and cut Henry to ribbons." The fight, which was a scheduled 10-round heavyweight title eliminator, was in the record books. But the controversy, the anecdotes, the legend of the Clay-Cooper fight had only just begun.

The reverberations from that punch have carried on for six decades.

Muhammad Ali would go on to become the most beloved figure in sports history and perhaps the greatest heavyweight champion of all time. However, in 1963 London, he was a loudmouthed upstart who needed a fist crammed down his throat.

"Clay arrived, 21 years old, and let’s not make bones about it, he was hated by a lot of people in this country," admitted Hart. “In that era, the British were not fans of sportsmen being boastful or explaining how good they were. Clay would say things like, 'If Cooper talks jive, he’ll fall in five,' and the British took great exception to that. They weren’t used to it.

"The weigh-in was at the London Palladium and when Clay got there, he noticed a crown in the corner of the dressing room that had been used in a pantomime. On the night of the fight, when he came to the ring, he was wearing an ermine robe with that crown on his head. That only added to the crowd’s dislike for him."

Despite reports that there were fifty to sixty thousand fans in attendance that night, Hart estimates that 30,000 is a more realistic figure. And the size of the crowd isn’t the only thing that’s been exaggerated through the decades.

When Clay returned to his corner, he was badly hurt, and his chief second, the legendary Angelo Dundee, was in full-on crisis mode. His prized pupil was closing in on a heavyweight championship fight and Cooper had him virtually out on his feet.





But while Dundee successfully bought Clay extra time, it wasn’t even close to the 30 seconds or even 60 seconds that’s been rumoured down the years.

"The myth of the split glove," Hart said knowingly. "Bless him, Cooper seemed to suggest in later years that there was a two-minute interval between rounds four and five. There was literally five seconds extra. But you could still make the point – and it’s a valid point – that an extra five seconds for a fighter that’s been so badly dazed could be vital. It was only five seconds, but that could have saved Clay from being knocked out in Round 5.

"Angelo Dundee did not split the glove. The glove was split, torn away from the seam, in the fourth round. There’s pictorial evidence of the horsehair – in those days that’s what gloves were stuffed with – coming out of the split. What Angelo Dundee did was try to make the split worse, then he called the referee over. He tried to say they couldn’t carry on and that the glove needed changed, but there were no spare gloves at ringside. To have gone back from the middle of Wembley Stadium to the dressing room and picked up new gloves, believe me, that would have taken five to 10 minutes. The fight continued with the split glove."

So, with iconic Hollywood couple Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor positioned at ringside, Clay sent enough blood hurtling in their direction to fill several love hearts. Cooper’s face disintegrated under a fuselage of lefts and rights, forcing Little to call a halt to the bout at 2:15 of Round 5.

[Bronson66]

Angelo Dundee never missed an opportunity to make himself important.

He further exaggerated that torn glove story with each telling. The fight was delayed only a few seconds. It was the salt that saved Clay. You can see his head jerk back and his eyes come to life.

Dundee also claims he had to push Clay off the stool in the imfamous 5th round of fight one with Liston. Further claiming that he pulled the stool from the ring so Clay couldn't sit back down.

This too was a BS story. Clay stands up on his own and the stool is removed by a different second. There is no effort by Clay to sit back down.

Dundee is from the old school of boxing, never let the truth get in the way of a good story and he never did.

Five extra seconds,