Vinny Paz gets into the IBHOF

[JAB5239]

- - Rose main value was as an everyday utility player whom the other pros considered a Hot Dog. Great, he hung around long enough to create the MLB hits record held by Ty Cobb who was an infinitely more talented baseball player statistically...yer welcome...

Pretty sure they both played 24 seasons making this argument null and void. Yer welcome.....

[Willie Pep 229]

IMO --> earlier I posted a sarcastic remark regarding Michael Nunn's drug bust but my real opinion is . . .

A boxer who uses PEDS disparages the prize fight game and should be barred from the HOF.

But a boxer who fails in his private life, e.g. domestic abuse, drug dealing, ETC, does not disparage the game and should not be barred from the HOF.

In the case of Pete Rose, he hurt baseball's reputation when he gambled while the Reds manager.

Another example: Tom Brady's 'deflateGate' was much more damaging than Adrian Petterson's child abuse.

Petterson's child abuse was a State of Texas issue, not the business of the NFL. On the otherhand, Brady's cheating hurt the game of football. That is the business of the NFL.

[DeeMoney]

IMO --> earlier I posted a sarcastic remark regarding Michael Nunn's drug bust but my real opinion is . . .

A boxer who uses PEDS disparages the prize fight game and should be barred from the HOF.

But a boxer who fails in his private life, e.g. domestic abuse, drug dealing, ETC, does not disparage the game and should not be barred from the HOF.

In the case of Pete Rose, he hurt baseball's reputation when he gambled while the Reds manager.

Another example: Tom Brady's 'deflateGate' was much more damaging than Adrian Petterson's child abuse.

Petterson's child abuse was a State of Texas issue, not the business of the NFL. On the otherhand, Brady's cheating hurt the game of football. That is the business of the NFL.

I agree with your general premise, but thats just not the way society is anymore. People can't compartmentalize the person from the professional, or at least choose not to in a form of virtue signaling. Essentially if you root for any professional athlete, you are supporting their every action, at least in the eyes of the masses.

[Willie Pep 229]

I agree with your general premise, but thats just not the way society is anymore. People can't compartmentalize the person from the professional, or at least choose not to in a form of virtue signaling. Essentially if you root for any professional athlete, you are supporting their every action, at least in the eyes of the masses.

Then again, maybe I am wrong.

The other side of the argument could say: they are given so much, based on an emotional attachment (that translates into their wealth) that they have a public obligation for their behavior both on and off the field.

That theirs, because of its connection to the populace, is not merely a profession, but instead needs to be lived like a vocation. E.g. a different form of priesthood, or in the common vernacular a 'role model.'

Eh! I'm really not sure how i feel about it.

[Mr Mitts]

As you can see the number of inductees appears to be between 200 and 271--relatively few ie. Loads of inductees are not even boxers but ancillary personnel of the game, like promoters, trainers, refs et al.

I thought there would be more. There is still plenty of room for more. Sorry if this was published previously and I missed it.

[QueensburyRules]

Pretty sure they both played 24 seasons making this argument null and void. Yer welcome.....

- - 100% sure U know as much about MLB as Boxing = Zer0000000.

Petey played entire 24 yrs with the 154 game schedule. Cobb split his career between Deadball and Liveball, ie MLB first year was a 140 game schedule. Live ball ball schedule increase over the years with Petey playing in the 162 game era. Cobb batted .323 his last year compared to Petey .219..yer welcome...PHEW U!!!

1901-03	NL-AL	8	7×20	140
1904-17	NL-AL	8	7×22	154
1918	NL-AL	8	7×22	154*
1919	NL-AL	8	7×20	140
1920-60	NL-AL	8	7×22	154
1961	NL	8	7×22	154**
1961	AL	10	9×18	162**

[JAB5239]

- - 100% sure U know as much about MLB as Boxing = Zer0000000.

Petey played entire 24 yrs with the 154 game schedule. Cobb split his career between Deadball and Liveball, ie MLB first year was a 140 game schedule. Live ball ball schedule increase over the years with Petey playing in the 162 game era. Cobb batted .323 his last year compared to Petey .219..yer welcome...PHEW U!!!

1901-03	NL-AL	8	7×20	140
1904-17	NL-AL	8	7×22	154
1918	NL-AL	8	7×22	154*
1919	NL-AL	8	7×20	140
1920-60	NL-AL	8	7×22	154
1961	NL	8	7×22	154**
1961	AL	10	9×18	162**

Lol, look at you acting like a big boy and providing links and context!! I'm proud of you. Rose still belongs in the HOF for what he did as a player. If what he did was so pedestrian surely someone would have broken that record by now.

[Willie Pep 229]

If you are going to compare Rose to Cobb then using the number of seasons played or the number of games played will be misleading.

If you want to make the comparison you guys want to make, you need to count PAs (plate appearances).

It is the closest you can come to a fair comparison. But even that has its flaws, e.g. walks [BB]

Which BTW is available at Baseball Statistics.

P.S. This same problem appeared with the imfamous Ruth vs. Marris HR record argument, back in 1961.

Marris played more games. [G]
Ruth had more plate appearances. [PA]
Marris had more at bats (less walks). [AB]

[JAB5239]

If you are going to compare Rose to Cobb then using the number of seasons played or the number of games played will be misleading.

If you want to make the comparison you guys want to make, you need to count PAs (plate appearances).

It is the closest you can come to a fair comparison. But even that has its flaws, e.g. walks [BB]

Which BTW is available at Baseball Statistics.

P.S. This same problem appeared with the imfamous Ruth vs. Marris HR record argument, back in 1961.

Marris played more games. [G]
Ruth had more plate appearances. [PA]
Marris had more at bats (less walks). [AB]

I'm not expert on baseball, but I do know there are a ton of variables when debating it. Far more than boxing i would guess.

[Willie Pep 229]

I'm not expert on baseball, but I do know there are a ton of variables when debating it. Far more than boxing i would guess.

Far more likely, yes. But boxing is more difficult.

At least with baseball the numbers are comparable becuse the opportuies are usually more consistent.

Boxing has so many mismatch comparisons, like the ones several posters have alreay stated, e.g. team vs. Individual, no leagues, ETC.

I think boxers are more difficult to compare.