Boxing and mental illness

[Willie Pep 229]

In the current day, "Oscar De La Hoya" is a rather exact definition.

See, that's interesting. I look at Bruce Jenner and I see mental illness. Then I look at this masculine unattractive girl who grew up with my daughter, who is now living a much happier transgender live, and I think, if I was her Dad I would support this all the way.

The whole transgender, transvestite thing is complicated.

I think the ones that go public with it, like Jenner are showing dysfunctional signs of mental illness, whereas if a person seeks to live it, but not make it a cause célèbre, then I think maybe that's not dysfunctional.

[Tatabanya]

See, that's interesting. I look at Bruce Jenner and I see mental illness. Then I look at this masculine unattractive girl who grew up with my daughter, who is now living a much happier transgender live, and I think, if I was her Dad I would support this all the way.

The whole transgender, transvestite thing is complicated.

I think the ones that go public with it, like Jenner are showing dysfunctional signs of mental illness, whereas if a person seeks to live it, but not make it a cause célèbre, then I think maybe that's not dysfunctional.

To be honest, I was not thinking about De La Hoya's penchant for dressing like a woman. In actuality, I've always seen him as a fake, even while he was fighting. Someone who has a fake smile on his face all the time, but whose mind is not healthy. The drag dressing, the kitchen utensil stuff, the addictions and his current mental state are just consequences of a life spent pretending.

[Bronson66]

See, that's interesting. I look at Bruce Jenner and I see mental illness. Then I look at this masculine unattractive girl who grew up with my daughter, who is now living a much happier transgender live, and I think, if I was her Dad I would support this all the way.

The whole transgender, transvestite thing is complicated.

I think the ones that go public with it, like Jenner are showing dysfunctional signs of mental illness, whereas if a person seeks to live it, but not make it a cause célèbre, then I think maybe that's not dysfunctional.

Do you think Jenner,because of his status, had any choice in the matter?

[Willie Pep 229]

Do you think Jenner,because of his status, had any choice in the matter?

"Choice in the matter" is a board statement.

It certainly would not go unnoticed but I would argue he chose to be an advocate.

But that's not the issue of my statement. I was trying to compare an unattractive woman to an attractive man and the decision made.

The issue I was trying to address was should one take such an extreme action in pursuit of a better life?

I don't think Jenner needed to take that action to be happy, I came to believe that it was best for the girl I spoke of.

I should have stuck to one point at a time.

[QueensburyRules]

See, that's interesting. I look at Bruce Jenner and I see mental illness. Then I look at this masculine unattractive girl who grew up with my daughter, who is now living a much happier transgender live, and I think, if I was her Dad I would support this all the way.

The whole transgender, transvestite thing is complicated.

I think the ones that go public with it, like Jenner are showing dysfunctional signs of mental illness, whereas if a person seeks to live it, but not make it a cause célèbre, then I think maybe that's not dysfunctional.

- - Could care less about trans movement save when they impose it on Kids and schools where Kids are not of legal age to purchase cigs, alcohol, nor made their own medical decisions.

Only *** that should be taught at appropriate grade levels are the ways of procreation and what constitutes illegal pedophiliac *** abuse. KISS, Keep It Simple, ******.

Now, if trans upon 18 years of age want to pay for uni courses on the current Gender alphabet, Great, that's on them.

Grooming children into premature *** by adults should cop a felony conviction. Of course some kids will have *** with other kids, but not that many though it creates an automatic social tutorial about the ramifications of ***.

Back on AOL, we had a poster claiming Lewis was gay, but I was never so proud of a group of boxing nerds completely ignoring him such that he went elsewhere to out someone else that brings up another point:

Too ,many of the modern Gay Movement like to OUT fellow gays that almost always hurts that person either economically or personal. That should qualify as a criminal assault with subsequent sentencing with a $financial liability legally rendered...

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Could care less about trans movement save when they impose it on Kids and schools where Kids are not of legal age to purchase cigs, alcohol, nor made their own medical decisions.

Only *** that should be taught at appropriate grade levels are the ways of procreation and what constitutes illegal pedophiliac *** abuse. KISS, Keep It Simple, ******.

Now, if trans upon 18 years of age want to pay for uni courses on the current Gender alphabet, Great, that's on them.

Grooming children into premature *** by adults should cop a felony conviction. Of course some kids will have *** with other kids, but not that many though it creates an automatic social tutorial about the ramifications of ***.

Back on AOL, we had a poster claiming Lewis was gay, but I was never so proud of a group of boxing nerds completely ignoring him such that he went elsewhere to out someone else that brings up another point:

Too ,many of the modern Gay Movement like to OUT fellow gays that almost always hurts that person either economically or personal. That should qualify as a criminal assault with subsequent sentencing with a $financial liability legally rendered...

Yeah that last part troubles me as well. When Harvey Milk outed the guy (Oliver Sipple) who grabbed Sara Jane Moore's gun before she could aim. That guy fell apart, it ruined his life. Some activists can be quite evil (in a selfish way).

I disagree about the arbitrary use of 18 years of age (for many things) but also realize we really have no choice but to draw an arbitrary line somewhere.

I also don't believe that it should appear in elementary schools, that would be grooming.

But as a high school teacher I would argue that if there is going to be an identity problem it needs to be addressed during the high school years.

All that goes with it becomes evident (and self evident) in the teen years, and to force a silence on the issue until after high school is over, is going to cause trauma.

O' wonder.
How many goodly creatures are there here!

How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world,
That has such people in’t!

[max baer]

Frank Maloney lewis's manager was a man who transitioned to a woman and I have read some articles on these people and the sheer hell they go through because they are born into the wrong body. Just thank your lucky stars that that hasn't been your misfortune as they really go though hell growing up and when they transition the pain is still there. My heart goes out to them.
But there are now celebrity kids all dressing in skirts and wearing make up claiming to be tran***ual. It is a fashionable fad like wearing flairs was in the late seventies, but even though it is a fad for teens to toy with androgyny it is still making light of the very serious pain that REAL trans men and women feel deep inside.
I think the breaks need to be put on this child exploitation so that transgener issues can be viewed with compassion rather then scorn.

[Mr Mitts]

Within the next century we should be able to provide this desperate breed with their own planet, moon or ice-teroid where they can exercise every grotesque form of freedom unperturbed by earth-squares.

From there, tranny-nauts will explore the farthest reaches of the solar system, teaching any aliens to cook Mexican food..

[Bronson66]

"Choice in the matter" is a board statement.

It certainly would not go unnoticed but I would argue he chose to be an advocate.

But that's not the issue of my statement. I was trying to compare an unattractive woman to an attractive man and the decision made.

The issue I was trying to address was should one take such an extreme action in pursuit of a better life?

I don't think Jenner needed to take that action to be happy, I came to believe that it was best for the girl I spoke of.

I should have stuck to one point at a time.

I think the underlined was his/her choice to make.

[Willie Pep 229]

I think the underlined was his/her choice to make.

I understand that sentiment and to an extent agree with it.

But I also believe that without the proper motivation, e.g. the prospect of facing a lonely and sad life, such an extreme act, as altering one's body chemically and surgically, is too much to do.

One has to in life suck up some disappointments. To expect not to is . . .

. . . Thus my feeling/belief that it shows in him/her a mental illness.

Which I think this thread was susposed to be about. I have drifted off course.

P.S. Think Michael Jackson's cosmetic surgeries. Mental illness?