Roy Jones vs Buster Douglas

[Seasoned-Veteran]

Watching the Boxing After Dark episode with Shane Mosley vs Demetrio Ceballos and Roy as commentator is asked whether his fight with Buster is still going ahead. Roy says no as he spoke with his Dad and they agreed that it is better to aim for the champ Holyfield.

I wonder how close either fight ever got to being made? Would the fat Buster who faced Evander beat Roy or would we see a fitter Buster like the one who faced Tyson?

[JAB5239]

Watching the Boxing After Dark episode with Shane Mosley vs Demetrio Ceballos and Roy as commentator is asked whether his fight with Buster is still going ahead. Roy says no as he spoke with his Dad and they agreed that it is better to aim for the champ Holyfield.

I wonder how close either fight ever got to being made? Would the fat Buster who faced Evander beat Roy or would we see a fitter Buster like the one who faced Tyson?

I think Buster would have gotten himself into better shape than he was for Holyfield, but probably not as good as he was for Tyson. That said, it was smart of Jones to not take that fight. Contrary to popular belief Douglas was a very good fighter when motivated. He had all the tools to be a great fighter, he just didn't have that fighting spirit. Jones would have his moments darting in and out, but Douglas would be land that very good and very long jab of his and letting Roy walk into hooks and uppercut. I think Buster if motivated stops Jones in 6 or 7 rounds.

[QueensburyRules]

Watching the Boxing After Dark episode with Shane Mosley vs Demetrio Ceballos and Roy as commentator is asked whether his fight with Buster is still going ahead. Roy says no as he spoke with his Dad and they agreed that it is better to aim for the champ Holyfield.

I wonder how close either fight ever got to being made? Would the fat Buster who faced Evander beat Roy or would we see a fitter Buster like the one who faced Tyson?

- - Very proud of Buster coming back from his 400lb Diabetic ICU moment to get himself into fighting shape again. He was becoming quite formidable, but Vander weren't champ then and Roy decided not to make his hvy debut against Buster who was still big with underrated skills.

Vander was former champ in sad decline when new WBA Champ Roy offered Vander a fight for peanuts. He turned that down for a bigger payday vs Toney to get KTFO. It was this version of doddering Vander than King forced Valuev to fight when no legit fighter wanted to actually hit such a sad case.

[JAB5239]

- - Very proud of Buster coming back from his 400lb Diabetic ICU moment to get himself into fighting shape again. He was becoming quite formidable, but Vander weren't champ then and Roy decided not to make his hvy debut against Buster who was still big with underrated skills.

Vander was former champ in sad decline when new WBA Champ Roy offered Vander a fight for peanuts. He turned that down for a bigger payday vs Toney to get KTFO. It was this version of doddering Vander than King forced Valuev to fight when no legit fighter wanted to actually hit such a sad case.

Lmao......and imagine, Evander was robbed against Valuev. Tells alot about the big guy. And Vits didn't want to fight aValuev without a slave contract of endless rematches......tells alot about Vits.

[QueensburyRules]

Lmao......and imagine, Evander was robbed against Valuev. Tells alot about the big guy. And Vits didn't want to fight aValuev without a slave contract of endless rematches......tells alot about Vits.

- - A Don King fight in Switzerland lacking a boxing commish to exploit Vander who was stripped of his boxing license and had to fight in outlaw territories including Russia and a retirement resort in America vs Sherman Williams. He was paid $75K for doing a little dance in the ring for soft lads like U.

"C'mon, it weren't that bad..."
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Only Vit was interested in Valuev and only if the Ks could promote to cut out DKing.

No Matter, Valuev underwent life saving surgery to retire and become a hero to his people, respected legislator, and Childrens' TV star.

[Clegg]

The Last Great Fight is a good read for anyone wanting extra information on the Douglas-Tyson fight.

We've seen a few times in history where an unheralded fighter gets a huge opportunity vs a great fighter and it makes them give a career-best performance, because psychologically they focus and believe in a way they never had before. But then they come back down to earth hard, and it's almost impossible for them to stay consistent. After beating Tyson, Buster wasn't mentally right for boxing for a few years afterwards. Same as Ruiz after he beat AJ, same as Fury after he beat Wlad. Tommy Morrison's trainer said that TM was hard work because he was always partying, drinking, chasing women, missing training. But that when the Foreman fight got made, TM was a little concerned because Foreman was such a big puncher, and as a result he trained like a demon for the first and last time in his career, and it showed in his performance.

The Douglas that beat Tyson would beat RJJ. But after that point I don't think he was ever a top fighter again.

[JAB5239]

- - A Don King fight in Switzerland lacking a boxing commish to exploit Vander who was stripped of his boxing license and had to fight in outlaw territories including Russia and a retirement resort in America vs Sherman Williams. He was paid $75K for doing a little dance in the ring for soft lads like U.

"C'mon, it weren't that bad..."
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Only Vit was interested in Valuev and only if the Ks could promote to cut out DKing.

No Matter, Valuev underwent life saving surgery to retire and become a hero to his people, respected legislator, and Childrens' TV star.

Vits offered a slave contract, and Holyfield as ancient and decrepit as he was got robbed against Valuev. Very telling indeed. Terrible era.

[Bronson66]

Watching the Boxing After Dark episode with Shane Mosley vs Demetrio Ceballos and Roy as commentator is asked whether his fight with Buster is still going ahead. Roy says no as he spoke with his Dad and they agreed that it is better to aim for the champ Holyfield.

I wonder how close either fight ever got to being made? Would the fat Buster who faced Evander beat Roy or would we see a fitter Buster like the one who faced Tyson?

At his best ,Buster beats up Jones.

[QueensburyRules]

Vits offered a slave contract, and Holyfield as ancient and decrepit as he was got robbed against Valuev. Very telling indeed. Terrible era.

- - U in worse shape than Field, obviously if you think that was a legit fight. Nobody wanted to hit the poor fool much less fight him.

Sherm a hard luck Jamaican knocked him so silly that the ref stopped the fight to rule an NC at the retirement community. For what, a 30K purse?

• Holyfield vs. Williams was originally scheduled to take place at Detroit's Joe Louis Arena in 2010. The date of the fight was moved from November 5 to November 12 to December 9 before being cancelled on November 17. The first two postponements were due to lagging ticket sales and the lack of a television deal. Olympia Entertainment, which was promoting the fight, said the cancellation was "due to unforeseen circumstance." The fight fight
• Due to the cut he suffered against Williams, Holyfield's scheduled March 5 fight against Brian Nielsen was postponed until May 7.

Holyfield looks dreadful against Williams
By , , January 24, 2011

In the main event of an excruciatingly bad pay-per-view -- perhaps the worst ever (for real) -- the 48-year-old Holyfield looked every bit his age. The former four-time heavyweight titleholder is one of the greatest heavyweights of all time, but is now so far removed from being a quality fighter it is simply sad to watch. He let a journeyman opponent he once would have crushed without breaking a sweat smack him around with right hands and dominate the first three rounds until the anticlimactic ending of what had been an abysmal night. (Don't even ask about the Ray Charles and Bruce Springsteen imitators singing between fights and the female t****ze artist. Seriously.)

Williams, a 38-year-old native of the Ba***** based in Ft. Pierce, Fla., was fighting for only the third time since 2007 and he had not fought since a loss in October 2009. Yet there he was taking it to Atlanta's worn-out Holyfield, backing him up with right hands. All Holyfield could do was bounce up and down and side to side with little ability to fire a meaningful shot. The fight, originally ticketed to take place in Detroit, had already been postponed multiple times before finally landing at a West ******ia resort, where a black-tie crowd watched with little enthusiasm. It was hard to blame them. It was like watching Willie Mays stumble around in the outfield during his last days with the Mets or listening to Frank Sinatra butcher his classics at the end. Just pathetic.

[JAB5239]

- - U in worse shape than Field, obviously if you think that was a legit fight. Nobody wanted to hit the poor fool much less fight him.

Sherm a hard luck Jamaican knocked him so silly that the ref stopped the fight to rule an NC at the retirement community. For what, a 30K purse?

• Holyfield vs. Williams was originally scheduled to take place at Detroit's Joe Louis Arena in 2010. The date of the fight was moved from November 5 to November 12 to December 9 before being cancelled on November 17. The first two postponements were due to lagging ticket sales and the lack of a television deal. Olympia Entertainment, which was promoting the fight, said the cancellation was "due to unforeseen circumstance." The fight fight
• Due to the cut he suffered against Williams, Holyfield's scheduled March 5 fight against Brian Nielsen was postponed until May 7.

Holyfield looks dreadful against Williams
By , , January 24, 2011

In the main event of an excruciatingly bad pay-per-view -- perhaps the worst ever (for real) -- the 48-year-old Holyfield looked every bit his age. The former four-time heavyweight titleholder is one of the greatest heavyweights of all time, but is now so far removed from being a quality fighter it is simply sad to watch. He let a journeyman opponent he once would have crushed without breaking a sweat smack him around with right hands and dominate the first three rounds until the anticlimactic ending of what had been an abysmal night. (Don't even ask about the Ray Charles and Bruce Springsteen imitators singing between fights and the female t****ze artist. Seriously.)

Williams, a 38-year-old native of the Ba***** based in Ft. Pierce, Fla., was fighting for only the third time since 2007 and he had not fought since a loss in October 2009. Yet there he was taking it to Atlanta's worn-out Holyfield, backing him up with right hands. All Holyfield could do was bounce up and down and side to side with little ability to fire a meaningful shot. The fight, originally ticketed to take place in Detroit, had already been postponed multiple times before finally landing at a West ******ia resort, where a black-tie crowd watched with little enthusiasm. It was hard to blame them. It was like watching Willie Mays stumble around in the outfield during his last days with the Mets or listening to Frank Sinatra butcher his classics at the end. Just pathetic.

What does any of that have to do with Holyfield outworking Valuev and getting robbed? Not a thing. It was a terrible era and that Vits contract to Valuev was so bad it was essentially a duck. And that Holyfield as old and as shopworn as he was had to be robbed to prevent him for becoming the oldest heavyweight champion. You posting about Sherman and Holyfield just strengthens my point. The era ******.