Mayweather path of least resistance and Canelo

[JAB5239]

First off Floyd Mayweather was a supremely talented fighter, and exciting to watch when he was "Pretty boy" and not "Money" Mayweather. But his career was well orchestrated to make money rather than taking on the hardest fights against prime fighters, the most deserving fighters instead waiting them out. Is Canelo now following the Mayweather recipe for success trying to wait out the best or pick the weakest links for his titles?

[Kid Cauliflower]

First off Floyd Mayweather was a supremely talented fighter, and exciting to watch when he was "Pretty boy" and not "Money" Mayweather. But his career was well orchestrated to make money rather than taking on the hardest fights against prime fighters, the most deserving fighters instead waiting them out. Is Canelo now following the Mayweather recipe for success trying to wait out the best or pick the weakest links for his titles?

Mayweather was consciously waiting them out. Canelo may figure he has enough legacy already and now wants to top off the treasure chest with a few easy fights. Canelo does not have a style that preserves the fighter. Mayweather did. Canelo will age as much as anyone he would try to wait out.

[Anthony342]

First off Floyd Mayweather was a supremely talented fighter, and exciting to watch when he was "Pretty boy" and not "Money" Mayweather. But his career was well orchestrated to make money rather than taking on the hardest fights against prime fighters, the most deserving fighters instead waiting them out. Is Canelo now following the Mayweather recipe for success trying to wait out the best or pick the weakest links for his titles?

Interesting you say this. When I say this people told me things like "Mosley priced himself out" or "The Manny fight would've happened sooner if he would have given in to all of Floyd's demands." So are these things true or not. I always got the feeling at least with Manny, that Floyd would have created more obstacles until he wanted to fight Manny. You say that and it seems okay. I say that and I'm suddenly the heel here.

[JAB5239]

Interesting you say this. When I say this people told me things like "Mosley priced himself out" or "The Manny fight would've happened sooner if hwase would have given in to all of Floyd's demand." So are these things true or not. I always got the feeling at least with Manny, that Floyd would have created more obstacles until he wanted to fight Manny. You say that and it seems okay. I say that and I'm suddenly the heel here.

I don't think Mosely priced himself out, I think Floyd's ego wouldn't allow him to admit Shane was a dangerous proposition during that time so he instead took on no hopes in Baldomir and Gatti. Floyd was a great fighter and has some good wins, but he played the game to his advantage instead of taking on the best at their best.

[JAB5239]

Mayweather was consciously waiting them out. Canelo may figure he has enough legacy already and now wants to top off the treasure chest with a few easy fights. Canelo does not have a style that preserves the fighter. Mayweather did. Canelo will age as much as anyone he would try to wait out.

I agree about Canelo's style to and extent. He he very good defensively, but his combinations and power make it less obvious. Like Floys Saul is a great fighter. I just see similarities in how they mapped out their careers.....especially the later part of those careers.

[travestyny]

I thought Mosley said he had a toothache. But Mayweather fought him right after he put on a monster performance against Margarito. Pacquiao's side stalled the Mayweather fight as much as Mayweather's side if not more. Don't think I can agree with the premise here, but the thread is only tangentially about Mayweather.

[JAB5239]

I thought Mosley said he had a toothache. But Mayweather fought him right after he put on a monster performance against Margarito. Pacquiao's side stalled the Mayweather fight as much as Mayweather's side if not more. Don't think I can agree with the premise here, but the thread is only tangentially about Mayweather.

I think you're right about Mosley and the toothache thinking back on it now. But I'm sure there was more to it. He wouldn't fight Paul Williams or Margarito either, who was deemed the boogeyman before his cheating came to light. Also, bringing Marquez up two weight classes because there were dollars to be made, and then missing the agreed upon weight was also a bad look in my opinion. I will freely admit I'm not a fan of Mayweather as a person so hopefully my judgment isn't clouded.

[travestyny]

I think you're right about Mosley and the toothache thinking back on it now. But I'm sure there was more to it. He wouldn't fight Paul Williams or Margarito either, who was deemed the boogeyman before his cheating came to light. Also, bringing Marquez up two weight classes because there were dollars to be made, and then missing the agreed upon weight was also a bad look in my opinion. I will freely admit I'm not a fan of Mayweather as a person so hopefully my judgment isn't clouded.

I think you do have some good points. I don't think any high profile boxer at that time (Pac, Mayweather, etc.) was going to go near P. Williams unless they had to. High risk, low reward. The Margarito stuff came about when Floyd was looking to get out of his contract with Top Rank. I think maybe his fight around that time was Hatton, which was huge. So I do agree that his team made some business decisions, which would be expected since the reason they do this is about business. But I didn't really find anything egregious. It's up to the opposing fighter to really put themselves in position where it really raises eyebrows if they are turned down.

I think the Marquez thing was Floyd was coming back off of retirement and people were talking up Marquez/Pac, and Pac/Mayweather, so they probably thought that they'd all be hovering close to the welter limit anyway as they were all in the mix together (I remember him saying something to the effect of: Marquez is big enough for Pac, Pac is big enough for me, so how is Marquez too small for me?). However, it was unprofessional for him to not make weight. I wonder if the retirement threw him off or he just realized he really couldn't get his body down to that weight without going in a zombie.

But you do have some points there. To some degree all boxers at that level have orchestrated careers because it's their business teams' job to do whats best financially...or they should be fired. lol.

[Anthony342]

I don't think Mosely priced himself out, I think Floyd's ego wouldn't allow him to admit Shane was a dangerous proposition during that time so he instead took on no hopes in Baldomir and Gatti. Floyd was a great fighter and has some good wins, but he played the game to his advantage instead of taking on the best at their best.

Okay then. What about the people that blamed Pacquiao for that fight not happening sooner? Were they right?

[JAB5239]

Okay then. What about the people that blamed Pacquiao for that fight not happening sooner? Were they right?

I think the blame falls more on Floyd, but it was a very ugly affair whichever side of the fence you're on. Pac agreed to drug testing, Floyd wanted more. Than there were the unfounded allegations of steroid use and the defamation lawsuit by Pac. Floyd's racist rant calling pac yellow and saying he make him make a sushi roll or something like that. Then there was the purse split and Floyd refusing 50/50. That to me was ridiculous since the were both the best and most popular fighters in the world. Floyd would have made more than any other fight but his ego wouldn't budge. Bob Arum didn't seem to help anything with his blustering either from the Pacquiao side of things.