Mayweather path of least resistance and Canelo

[JAB5239]

Didn’t push the goalpost back at any point.

Floyd requested USADA drug testing with no cut off date, which is more than reasonable. Pacquaio flat out refused that and thus the fight fell through. Extremely cut and dry, which Freddie Roach himself has admitted was their sides fault (2009 negotiations)

Floyd did agree to 50/50. So you’re wrong again. Everything was agreed, money, location, date, 10 million per lb overweight (requested by Pacquaio). The only thing that wasn’t agreed with drug testing with no cut off date.

So I think we should leave the revisionist history at the door and stick to what actually happened.

"We appeased Mayweather by agreeing to a urine analysis at any time, and blood testing before the press conference and after the fight. Mayweather pressed for blood testing even up to the weigh-in. He knew that Manny gets freaked out when his blood gets taken, and feels that it weakens him. This is just harassment and, to me, just signaled that he didn't want the fight."

[IronDanHamza]

"We appeased Mayweather by agreeing to a urine analysis at any time, and blood testing before the press conference and after the fight. Mayweather pressed for blood testing even up to the weigh-in. He knew that Manny gets freaked out when his blood gets taken, and feels that it weakens him. This is just harassment and, to me, just signaled that he didn't want the fight."

Ok great, so thank you for confirming from what I assume is Bob Arum’s own mouth that he didn’t agree to the drug testing, which you previously said he did. So that is cleared up and we can not spout that falsehood again.

Anything else?

[IronDanHamza]

Mayweather is flat overrated. Anyone without an empty head sees this easily. He is not one of the greatest fighters of all time--his schedule was too soft for that--he was one of the best defensive fighters ever, but that is about it. History will not credit him for what he did not do, future generations will see right through him with their lack of interest in what he did do. His own history is pat for all to see. His actual career was not much more dangerous than his exhibition schedule.

People are not even interested in him on a boxing forum. How many threads about Mayweather around here?

He made more money than any other fighter--that is his big legacy. All the halfwits proclaiming MW's absolute fighting ascendancy are gone now, gone back to their rap music and rap sheets. They were not even boxing fans but one-timers out for a joyride.

Anyone placing him anywhere near the AT top 25 list is obviously someone with a secondary agenda IMO. AT time greatness has to be proven, and he did not prove it to the extent necessary. He had the chances to, but like most glory hogs he convinced himself he had already done that. But waiting and marinating is for steaks and chops, not for boxing matches. So sorry, Floyd honey. You don't even have a record next to a man like Duran who proved every bit of what he had to.

That’s strange because he just got listed as the 25th greatest athlete of the 21st century yesterday by ESPN. The only other two boxers on there were Pacquaio at 72 and Hopkins lower than that.

So, just flat out wrong but if that makes you feel better I suppose you can pretend that’s the case.

History will remember Floyd fondly, his achievements speak for themself. He did things that barely any, if any, boxers ever did.

[JAB5239]

Ok great, so thank you for confirming from what I assume is Bob Arum’s own mouth that he didn’t agree to the drug testing, which you previously said he did. So that is cleared up and we can not spout that falsehood again.

Anything else?

But he did agree to do drug testing. We're PED's going to magically disappear at the press conference and after the fight? If Floyd thought he was juicing than why did he agree to a seven figure settlement after unjustly accusing Pac? And why did Floyd take an illegal IV before the fight that was clearly against WADA regulations? Was he masking something? You act like Pac flat out refused and that simply isn't true. He just wasn't going to cave to Mayweather's ridiculous demands and psychological warfare.

[IronDanHamza]

But he did agree to do drug testing. We're PED's going to magically disappear at the press conference and after the fight? If Floyd thought he was juicing than why did he agree to a seven figure settlement after unjustly accusing Pac? And why did Floyd take an illegal IV before the fight that was clearly against WADA regulations? Was he masking something? You act like Pac flat out refused and that simply isn't true. He just wasn't going to cave to Mayweather's ridiculous demands and psychological warfare.

No he didn’t. Not without a cut off date. Which he then did agree to years later. So no he didn’t agree to drug testing, that is a fact.

He literally flat out refused a USADA drug testing procedure. That isn’t debatable and is the sole reason the fight didn’t happen, which Freddie Roach himself admitted to.

“Magically disappear” Erm, yeah, that’s what’s known as “masking”. Hence the literal entire reason the request was no cut off date. Having a cut off date defeats the entire purpose of doing USADA testing in the first place.

Have you really just labeled USADA drug testing protocol as a “ridiculous demand”? You are aware that this is standard practice in boxing? One that Pacquaio himself agreed to 4 years later. What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.

I’ll tell you a ridiculous demand, asking for 10 million per lb Floyd comes in overweight, which he agreed to, that’s the difference.

[JAB5239]

No he didn’t. Not without a cut off date. Which he then did agree to years later. So no he didn’t agree to drug testing, that is a fact.

He literally flat out refused a USADA drug testing procedure. That isn’t debatable and is the sole reason the fight didn’t happen, which Freddie Roach himself admitted to.

“Magically disappear” Erm, yeah, that’s what’s known as “masking”. Hence the literal entire reason the request was no cut off date. Having a cut off date defeats the entire purpose of doing USADA testing in the first place.

Have you really just labeled USADA drug testing protocol as a “ridiculous demand”? You are aware that this is standard practice in boxing? One that Pacquaio himself agreed to 4 years later. What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.

I’ll tell you a ridiculous demand, asking for 10 million per lb Floyd comes in overweight, which he agreed to, that’s the difference.

.Masking? Like odds illegal IV? PLEASE!!!

And for the record, Pac agreed to random urinalysis and blood tests before and more importantly after the fight.

[IronDanHamza]

.Masking? Like odds illegal IV? PLEASE!!!

And for the record, Pac agreed to random urinalysis and blood tests before and more importantly after the fight.

Yes, masking. You’ve just implied that not having a cut off date isn’t necessary because they’ll somehow “magically” disappear after a weigh in or presser. Which is literally the entire reason random testing is done up to the day of the fight, for the exact reason. Because fighters mask their PED use up to the day of the fight. Hence, why having a cut off date DEFEATS THE ENTIRE POINT of doing random testing in the first place. Hence, why Pacquaio did not agree to a random drug testing protocol. Hence, saying he did is a lie, because, he didn’t. That’s just a literal fact:

The fact Floyd used an illegal IV 6 years later is literally totally irrelevant to the point. That’s when they’ve agreed to fight, and when Pacquaio accepted THE SAME TESTING protocol he previously refused and thus was the sole reason the fight fell through in 2009.

Yes I’m aware Pacquiao agreed to random testing in 2009, WITH a cut off date. I.e, he refused USADA testing. This is very simple stuff.

[JAB5239]

Yes, masking. You’ve just implied that not having a cut off date isn’t necessary because they’ll somehow “magically” disappear after a weigh in or presser. Which is literally the entire reason random testing is done up to the day of the fight, for the exact reason. Because fighters mask their PED use up to the day of the fight. Hence, why having a cut off date DEFEATS THE ENTIRE POINT of doing random testing in the first place. Hence, why Pacquaio did not agree to a random drug testing protocol. Hence, saying he did is a lie, because, he didn’t. That’s just a literal fact:

The fact Floyd used an illegal IV 6 years later is literally totally irrelevant to the point. That’s when they’ve agreed to fight, and when Pacquaio accepted THE SAME TESTING protocol he previously refused and thus was the sole reason the fight fell through in 2009.

Yes I’m aware Pacquiao agreed to random testing in 2009, WITH a cut off date. I.e, he refused USADA testing. This is very simple stuff.

So let me get this straight. Pac agreeing to several blood tests and all the urinalysis was a way to get out of the fight, but Floyd taking an illegal IV before they actually fought is irrelevant? What was the cutoff date, and how is he going to mask it with a blood test after the fight? Masking shows up on tests which is why Floyd's illegal IV was flagged. Were Floyd's cortisone injections illegal for his hands as well? Pac wasn't suspected or flagged during his prime, so why the need for all the extra testing? Floyd knew.....no, everyone knew Pac didn't like needles and thought it made him weaker. It was a mind game and Floyd wanted HIS way, not the NSAC way even though there was more proof of him cheating than there ever was for Manny. I respect you Dan, but this is a double standard and in no way absolve Floyd for the fight not happening when it should have. Both sides played a part, but in my opinion Floyd and his family and or advisors played the bigger part. Was there a reason he couldn't fight Paul Williams or Margarito as well?

[IronDanHamza]

So let me get this straight. Pac agreeing to several blood tests and all the urinalysis was a way to get out of the fight, but Floyd taking an illegal IV before they actually fought is irrelevant? What was the cutoff date, and how is he going to mask it with a blood test after the fight? Masking shows up on tests which is why Floyd's illegal IV was flagged. Were Floyd's cortisone injections illegal for his hands as well? Pac wasn't suspected or flagged during his prime, so why the need for all the extra testing? Floyd knew.....no, everyone knew Pac didn't like needles and thought it made him weaker. It was a mind game and Floyd wanted HIS way, not the NSAC way even though there was more proof of him cheating than there ever was for Manny. I respect you Dan, but this is a double standard and in no way absolve Floyd for the fight not happening when it should have. Both sides played a part, but in my opinion Floyd and his family and or advisors played the bigger part. Was there a reason he couldn't fight Paul Williams or Margarito as well?

Yes, it could not be any less relevant to their 2009 negotiations where Pacquaio refused a USADA drug testing protocol and thus the fight fell through. Struggling how that’s in any way difficult to understand.

All Floyd using an illegal IV is relevant toward is the fact it’s su****ious behaviour. 6 years later, after the fight was agreed and signed. It couldn’t have less relevance to why their fight fell through in 2009, which you lied and said Pacquaio agreed to USADA drug testing which he objectively and factually did not.

Masking shows up on tests? Is that an actual serious statement? Do you understand what masking is? Masking does THE OPPOSITE. It hides the drug use from the drug testing procedure.

Pacquaio has never once said he doesn’t like needles actually. In fact he’s denied it multiple times. The only person who has ever made the claim is Bob Arum in an attempt to justify Pacquaio refusing USADA drug testing. So that’s just another nonsense narrative there. You’re totally incorrect on this from almost every angle at this point. Revisionist history at its finest.

Whether it was a mind game or not is #1 totally unknown and #2 irrelevant. Pacquaio requested Floyd pay 10 million per lb he comes in overweight, which is far and beyond a way more ridiculous demand, that might have been a mind game but Floyd accepted it anyway.

The fact of the matter is, the fight fell through in 2009 for one reason and one reason only, because Pacquaio refused USADA drug testing, it’s frankly as simple as that and not a debatable topic, that is what happened. What makes it even worse is it’s the SAME random procedure he REQUESTED for his fights just 4 years later. This so called “ridiculous request”, that is now standard in Boxing, he later requested HIMSELF.

So again, let’s leave the revisionist history at the door and stick to what actually happened.

[Kid Cauliflower]

That’s strange because he just got listed as the 25th greatest athlete of the 21st century yesterday by ESPN. The only other two boxers on there were Pacquaio at 72 and Hopkins lower than that.

So, just flat out wrong but if that makes you feel better I suppose you can pretend that’s the case.

History will remember Floyd fondly, his achievements speak for themself. He did things that barely any, if any, boxers ever did.

Oooohh! 25th out of a 25 year century! And not even a boxing list, honey. Just a junk list from ESPN to fill time about athletes in general for fanboys who swallow.

Yeah, testing for masking agents directly. Haven't you ever heard of that?