Sugar Ray Robinson and the word "entourage."

[billeau2]

The earliest known use of the noun entourage is in the 1850s. OED's earliest evidence for entourage is from 1850, in the writing of William Thackeray, novelist. entourage is a borrowing from

Now that.... That is a dictionary!! I should have read through the thread lol.

[billeau2]

Yes but I found a usage graph that shows the sudden jump in 1950 matching SRR return to America.

Much like the term "Upset" - which existed before the horse beat Man 'O War but became common in usage only after the the horse won the race.

This article suggests that the term hit England as early as 1832.




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Great catch! It is nice to be able to trace common parlance with a word. If you ever want to really go down a rabbit hole ( Humm? reference to Alice in Wonderland, relatively new expression that seemed to come up with conspiracy theory research and development). Look into the term "ground zero." This was a technical term for a nuclear detonation, that was utilized during Nine Eleven. Nobody seems to have noticed that the term is an analogy, perhaps a connotation in its present usage. Most superficial dictionaries do not draw any distinction about the de facto technical term, hence the word has taken up a life of its own...

[Willie Pep 229]

Great catch! It is nice to be able to trace common parlance with a word. If you ever want to really go down a rabbit hole ( Humm? reference to Alice in Wonderland, relatively new expression that seemed to come up with conspiracy theory research and development). Look into the term "ground zero." This was a technical term for a nuclear detonation, that was utilized during Nine Eleven. Nobody seems to have noticed that the term is an analogy, perhaps a connotation in its present usage. Most superficial dictionaries do not draw any distinction about the de facto technical term, hence the word has taken up a life of its own...

Here is another: "Chain Migration" used to mean the creation of "Little Italy" - "China Town" - "Little Warsaw"; as immigrants would migrate to their own kind. (I know your NY upbringing makes my point clear.)

Now "Chain Migration" (via Tr-ump usuage in a speech) is a derogatory term were immigrants use a family loop-hole in the Immigration Laws, to bring more immigrants into the country.

Tr-ump singlehandedly changed the definition of the phrase. (Such is the power of the "bully pulpit")

Phrases change there meanings. It is kind of funny that way.

P.S. I always got a kick out of (while teaching) that all my students understood what "CC" meant for them to do on their computer, but never heard the term "carbon copy," not once in their lives. Most never saw a 'carbon copy' never mind carbon paper, and the few of them that did, saw it with a small vender and didn't know there was a term for it.

[QueensburyRules]

Going into the 1stTurpin fight Robinson had fought 6 times in the previous 6 weeks, how out of shape can he have been?

- - Like I say, steady diet of French wine and cuisine including pastries would soften up anyone, esp if grrls are thrown in…

[billeau2]

Here is another: "Chain Migration" used to mean the creation of "Little Italy" - "China Town" - "Little Warsaw"; as immigrants would migrate to their own kind. (I know your NY upbringing makes my point clear.)

Now "Chain Migration" (via Tr-ump usuage in a speech) is a derogatory term were immigrants use a family loop-hole in the Immigration Laws, to bring more immigrants into the country.

Tr-ump singlehandedly changed the definition of the phrase. (Such is the power of the "bully pulpit")

Phrases change there meanings. It is kind of funny that way.

P.S. I always got a kick out of (while teaching) that all my students understood what "CC" meant for them to do on their computer, but never heard the term "carbon copy," not once in their lives. Most never saw a 'carbon copy' never mind carbon paper, and the few of them that did, saw it with a small vender and didn't know there was a term for it.

D a m n I sure remember that blue paper! And the smell lol. Good catch lol. When generations make transitions you do hear some stuff that is totally from a different time. My dear old dad would always ask what's in the ice box?

Regarding the T r u m p transformation, isn't there a similar thing with the phrase "deep state?"and

[Willie Pep 229]

D a m n I sure remember that blue paper! And the smell lol. Good catch lol. When generations make transitions you do hear some stuff that is totally from a different time. My dear old dad would always ask what's in the ice box?

Regarding the T r u m p transformation, isn't there a similar thing with the phrase "deep state?"and

Somewhat.

For me "deep state" meant the nonsense of the Illuminati or the J-ews, or the Free Masons or the CIA, secretly running the country through membership, bribes, intimidation, international banking, Etc.

Now to M A G A it seems to just mean 'l-iberal pedophiles'. I am not really sure where that comes from.

To note: The McCarthy types back in the '50s, for lack of substance, went after Hollywood, (The Hollywood Ten) which was always good for headlines. IMO Today c-onservatives have that same predisposition for Hollywood (and all of California by proxy) and for the same reason.

[Kid Cauliflower]

Websters often enough, is a very abridged dictionary. Would be interesting to see if it was an unabridged, quality dictionary.

An excellent dictionary will have over 100 definitions for the word run.

[Willie Pep 229]

An excellent dictionary will have over 100 definitions for the word run.

Read an article back in 2001. The Oxford English Dictionary people announced they were at that time suspending their effort to create a computer interpretor. *

They concluded that it would likely take 20 years for computers to run fast enough to do the job. (AI).

At the time they guesstimate that the English language had well over a billion phrases in its lexicon. This, then weighted against say Italian with 600,000,000 phrases, their computers just couldn't get the job done.

They pointed out that the word "run" was a particular problem. Same with the word "set."


* Not a mere translator.

[billeau2]

An excellent dictionary will have over 100 definitions for the word run.

I don't know what all the fuss is about with you and that other boy pep... Run is what most people do with their feet and queen bee does with his mouth!

[Kid Cauliflower]

Yes but I found a usage graph that shows the sudden jump in 1950 matching SRR return to America.

Much like the term "Upset" - which existed before the horse beat Man 'O War but became common in usage only after the the horse won the race.

This article suggests that the term hit England as early as 1832.




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Not much of an uptick actually, but the slope did indeed increase from 1950 and onward. Usage had been increasing steadily since 1850. You can see it was used quite a bit before 1950. Now it will take a good 1940ish dictionary to see if it was in the dictionary prior to 1950. I would also be interested in knowing what happened to cause the increase in or prior to 1850.

Very good thread idea.