Top 20 heavyweights all time

[IronDanHamza]

- - Context and Time lines would be friends of this forum if they only knew how to use them.

Field turned pro as a mature skinny LH to blow up 40 lbs.

Tyson the short, muscly overweight teen had to lose wt to get to 215. Cus ran an old school training regime.

When Tyson went to prison, he’d have been exposed to steroids and weightlifting and ended up with some Biker as his trainer in his heavily sedated in experimental psychotropic drugs in his comeback to earn back his $50 mil Annuity King stole from him.

He earned more than that, to no avail as his tragic train wreck played out in public slomotion.

Just kill yourself and get your sad life over with.

[Biledriver]

Yeah, your type don't make me exactly "proud" to be American, either

Princess, go look in the mirror and hang your pathetic head in shame at the worthless oxygen thieving man-child that looks back at you. That a grown ass adult like you is man-crushing an athlete like a teen who's balls just dropped is just gross and creepy. Your ma surbation-like nationalist di ck stroking could be a case study in the most toxic garbage that afflicts the world. Now do everybody a favor and look up the letters FO and follow the directions you find. Ignored for wasting my time with juvenile bullsh it and toxic stu pidity.

[QueensburyRules]

Just kill yourself and get your sad life over with.

- - More death notices by your soft lad life towards me...Sweet...

[The D3vil]

Wow this is still going on? You're in denial, kid.

People are not coming out claiming Tyson was on roids because back then boxing was not a heavily tested sport like track and field, cycling etc. Did you not pay any attention earlier. There was no drug testing in the 80s when he was coming up. They started a weak form of testing in the 90s where all the dates of the urine tests were known so anybody with a good dealer would know to cycle properly so that the test would come up clean. Or just use a fake penis with clean urine like Tyson did.

Also, most of them are either dead or have no reason to out Tyson because they would also be outing themselves, you understand? PED use in sports has always been a heavily guarded secret that people take to their graves. Certainly in that era. Mayweather jr. has never been caught with PEDS but there are a lot of stories and claims about him using. That's because 1-In his era the sport entered a more drug tested era and 2-More people have been talking or had reasons to out him.

You're fully convincved Holyfield was using right? Other than the "Evan Fields" story where are all the details of his PED use? Where are all his failed tests? Where are his "steroid doctors" talking in detail about shooting him up? Where's ESPN catching him? You're contradicting yourself.

You have to start realizing this sport has always been corrupt, there are many millions of dollars at stake. It's a dirty business, I'm sure you've heard. They take any edge they can get. A trainer shooting up a young talented kid has always been common, these kids are investments. Yeah Cus was a nice guy who loved helping kids, but he loved money and glory too. You have to get over this hurdle of Tyson being your childhood hero who was this genetic monster who could have never used PED's.You're not being objective because you're already rejecting the premise based on your emotions.

Dude, when Hoyfield retired in the mid '90s due to heart failure, a key symptom of steroid use.



Dude was literally caught in a steroid sting



Stop the bullshxt.

Until you can show me anything close to that about Mike Tyson, there is no comparison.

[The D3vil]

Princess, go look in the mirror and hang your pathetic head in shame at the worthless oxygen thieving man-child that looks back at you. That a grown ass adult like you is man-crushing an athlete like a teen who's balls just dropped is just gross and creepy. Your ma surbation-like nationalist di ck stroking could be a case study in the most toxic garbage that afflicts the world. Now do everybody a favor and look up the letters FO and follow the directions you find. Ignored for wasting my time with juvenile bullsh it and toxic stu pidity.

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[IronDanHamza]

Dude, when Hoyfield retired in the mid '90s due to heart failure, a key symptom of steroid use.



Dude was literally caught in a steroid sting



Stop the bullshxt.

Until you can show me anything close to that about Mike Tyson, there is no comparison.

I often wonder, is there any actual concrete evidence that these things are even true in that article? Other than a reporter claiming it? I've never actually seen it. Have we seen the actual paper work for "Evan Fields"?

Also, when they called the number and "Holyfield answered", how did they know it was Holyfield exactly?

Either way, none of the above proves anything. If true, it just points to a suspect case of likely steroid use. He never failed a drug test, we don't know for sure if he used or not.

[Willie Pep 229]

I often wonder, is there any actual concrete evidence that these things are even true in that article? Other than a reporter claiming it? I've never actually seen it. Have we seen the actual paper work for "Evan Fields"?

Also, when they called the number and "Holyfield answered", how did they know it was Holyfield exactly?

Either way, none of the above proves anything. If true, it just points to a suspect case of likely steroid use. He never failed a drug test, we don't know for sure if he used or not.

It is more than a single reporter. It is Sports Illustrated whose reputation is on the line.

Late Wednesday, SI.com reported that the name "Evan Fields" appeared on law enforcement documents reviewed by the Web site in connection with the Mobile investigation. SI.com dialed a phone number associated with "Fields" that was listed on one of the documents, and Holyfield answered the call. "Fields" listed birth date in the document -- Oct. 19, 1962 -- also is the same as Holyfield's.

Full Article.

[IronDanHamza]

It is more than a single reporter. It is Sports Illustrated whose reputation is on the line.

Late Wednesday, SI.com reported that the name "Evan Fields" appeared on law enforcement documents reviewed by the Web site in connection with the Mobile investigation. SI.com dialed a phone number associated with "Fields" that was listed on one of the documents, and Holyfield answered the call. "Fields" listed birth date in the document -- Oct. 19, 1962 -- also is the same as Holyfield's.

Full Article.

Right but my question is, how did they know Evander Holyfield answered the phone?

Is there any actual evidence of that being in any way true?

How do we even know someone wasn't impersonating Holyfield by using his birth date? Or trying to set him up? We don't. All we have on this is hearsay, nothing of any actual substance to prove it.

I'm not saying that's what happened, it likely isn't but none of it actually proves anything in regards to actual drug use.

At best it could circumstantially point to him (Evan Fields) perhaps buying the drugs, we still don't know if he used them or not.

[Willie Pep 229]

Right but my question is, how did they know Evander Holyfield answered the phone?

Is there any actual evidence of that being in any way true?

How do we even know someone wasn't impersonating Holyfield by using his birth date? Or trying to set him up? We don't. All we have on this is hearsay, nothing of any actual substance to prove it.

I'm not saying that's what happened, it likely isn't but none of it actually proves anything in regards to actual drug use.

At best it could circumstantially point to him (Evan Fields) perhaps buying the drugs, we still don't know if he used them or not.

SI remarks measure to libel. If he didn't answer the phone he would have protested and demanded a retraction.

In the full article he is given two opportunities to express his side. One was an excuse about buying drugs for his now dead father and the second was a straight up denial.

He never chose to address the phone call. Neither confirming or denying it happened.

Considering the way these scandals usually play out he would have jumped on the remark if he had been able.

". . . that was listed on one of the documents, and Holyfield answered the call . . ."

There is no legal wiggle room in the SI statement. If they couldn't prove they were talking to Holyfield he would have sued.

1. The clinic in Alabama gets busted.
2. Evan Fields is a client.
3. The avaiable phone number is Holyfield's residence and he answered the phone.
4. Holyfield's absurd growth and body appearance screams PEDS.

You're acting the good defense attorney but the circumstantial evidence is over whelming, but as you argue it likely dosen't reach over the reasonable doubt bar legally.

But the man will be remembered dirty.

[IronDanHamza]

SI remarks measure to libel. If he didn't answer the phone he would have protested and demanded a retraction.

In the full article he is given two opportunities to express his side. One was an excuse about buying drugs for his now dead father and the second was a straight up denial.

He never chose to address the phone call. Neither confirming or denying it happened.

Considering the way these scandals usually play out he would have jumped on the remark if he had been able.

". . . that was listed on one of the documents, and Holyfield answered the call . . ."

There is no legal wiggle room in the SI statement. If they couldn't prove they were talking to Holyfield he would have sued.

1. The clinic in Alabama gets busted.
2. Evan Fields is a client.
3. The avaiable phone number is Holyfield's residence and he answered the phone.
4. Holyfield's absurd growth and body appearance screams PEDS.

You're acting the good defense attorney but the circumstantial evidence is over whelming, but as you argue it likely dosen't reach reach over the reasonable doubt bar legally.

But the man will be remembered dirty.

He did protest all of it, and vehemently deny it.

How could they possibly know it was Holyfield who answered the phone? Can they see through the phone? Or are they just psychic?