Louis vs Galento HD upscaled

[Dr. Z]

Well you pretended to miss my point soâ¦

funny you mention James Toney. Well for 1 he started his career at 160. So his version of 240 is pure blubber. Galento is actually a heavyweight. Even at 240 hes not has fat as you think, heâÂÂs âÂÂtubbyâÂÂ. James was actually obese and talked like he was as well.

second, Toney was a pretty good heavyweight by contemporary standards, and considering he was obese and only sparred for training.

the heavyweight division has changed, but it hasnt gotten better.

Yeah its funny, Galento started his career at 194 lbs and wighted in at a fat 233 pounds for Louis. Like you said a that weight like James Toney he was pure blubber. Except James Toney was taller than Tony Galento and IMO far more skilled, wouldn't you say?

[Ivich]

Yeah its funny, Galento started his career at 194 lbs and wighted in at a fat 233 pounds for Louis. Like you said a that weight like James Toney he was pure blubber. Except James Toney was taller than Tony Galento and IMO far more skilled, wouldn't you say?

Toney was an inch taller, what actual difference does that make? Galento was 19 for that fight.

[Ivich]

With 12 ounce gloves and facing opponents under 200 pounds, No I do not think Joshua did not hit harder than Louis did with 6-8 ounce gloves. No, I think Louis threw better combinations. Am I clear?

Having said that, who did Joe Louis really beat? Names, weights and condition of his opponents please.

Joshua rates as a top 5 modern day super heavyweight who can fight. Just because Usyk can out box him and Ruiz hit hard enough to knock him out ... okay so what! Louis was KO'd 2 times by sub 200 pound men and out scored by others on the score cards ( which in some cases were biased toward Louis ). That is worse if we compare and contrast

IMO Joshua knocks Galento out without being floored. His range alone makes the fight as mismatch. Get real. Galento lost 26 times, and was KO's 6 times in what ring ****zine calls the worst era of heavyweight boxing.

who did Joe Louis really beat? For starters how about 6 men who held the heavyweight title and 2 who held the light heavyweight title ? Louis lost 3 fights, all to men who held the heavyweight title.

Louis, like Johnson is one of your pet subjects to hate on ,from saying he had his own judges and referees to confidently announcing that he lost to Walcott,though YOU haven't seen any more of the fight than highlights!

I notice Jim Jeffries, and Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko never get any criticism from you? I wonder why that is?

[Dr. Z]

Toney was an inch taller, what actual difference does that make? Galento was 19 for that fight.

Ah, but what were their waist sizes? Toney had Galento beat on the neck size, after all he had a pack of hot dogs back there. By the way Toney was only 20 for his first pro fight, just barely 20!

Now how about that neck size and waist size when they were both 230+? Humor me.

[Rockenator]

With 12 ounce gloves and facing opponents under 200 pounds, No I do not think Joshua did not hit harder than Louis did with 6-8 ounce gloves. No, I think Louis threw better combinations. Am I clear?

Having said that, who did Joe Louis really beat? Names, weights and condition of his opponents please.

Joshua rates as a top 5 modern day super heavyweight who can fight. Just because Usyk can out box him and Ruiz hit hard enough to knock him out ... okay so what! Louis was KO'd 2 times by sub 200 pound men and out scored by others on the score cards ( which in some cases were biased toward Louis ). That is worse if we compare and contrast

IMO Joshua knocks Galento out without being floored. His range alone makes the fight as mismatch. Get real. Galento lost 26 times, and was KO's 6 times in what ring ****zine calls the worst era of heavyweight boxing.

Joshua has about 200 heavyweights better than him in the history of boxing. Usyk is not really a heavyweight and he'll kiss the canvas once he fights someone besides Joshua and the other rum-dums he's fought. (And he couldn't even knock out Joshua!) Get real. You rating of Joshua and Usyk is comical, absolute nonsense and no one, repeat no one, will be talking about those two fighters in the next fifty years as great heavyweights. Joshua couldn't dent a cream puff and your fantasy, illusionary boxing comments are fit for bird cage liner.

[Ivich]

Ah, but what were their waist sizes? Toney had Galento beat on the neck size, after all he had a pack of hot dogs back there. By the way Toney was only 20 for his first pro fight, just barely 20!

Now how about that neck size and waist size when they were both 230+? Humor me.

Answer my question first,What actual difference does one inch in height make?
Then go to my Johnson v Smith thread and answer my question there.
What exactly is the importance of GunBoat Smith POSSIBLY knocking Johnson down in a spar?
You have been *****eting this earth shattering event for years ,on every thread in which Johnson's name appears.
Now once and for all.
EXPLAIN THE SIGNIFICANCE OF IT TO US?:

[Dr. Z]

Ivich
Answer my question first,What actual difference does one inch in height make?
Then go to my Johnson v Smith thread and answer my question there.
What exactly is the importance of GunBoat Smith POSSIBLY knocking Johnson down in a spar?
You have been *****eting this earth shattering event for years ,on every thread in which Johnson's name appears.
Now once and for all.
EXPLAIN THE SIGNIFICANCE OF IT TO US?:

I will answer your questions. Will you read and comprehend my answers?

When you are 5'9" tall and heavyweight, it matters at heavyweight. Galento is both short and fat. And he has short arms.

Smith did knock Johnson down and hurt him! It happened. Why do you say that he possibly knocked him down? This is dishonest.

The significance is Johnson did not face his top 5 opponents that were in the primes from 1909 -1914 as champion. He shamefully did not honor his signed contact to Langford, and did not fight other fellow top black fights like Jeanette or Mcvey. To quote Jeanette " Jack drew the color line against his own people. He did not fight Gunboat Smith or Luther McCarty, the two top white fighters that were not old. Count the ducks. The 5 men he did not fight, beat the daylights out of his opponents and did better than he did vs. his " white hopes " title opponents. Hmmm...

He did fight Jack O'Brien, shop work and 162 pounds and according to primary sources, O'brein was the better! It went down as a new draw.

Smith, who was 6'2" and in shape, showed he can knock Johnson silly. That is the significance and means lot toward a potential 6+ round fight between the two

IMO Johnson would be viewed very differently if he fought his top 5 potential opponents who were ALL in their prime as champion, and have 2-3 more losses on his resume. He was nearly KO'd by middle weight Ketchel and lucky to get a draw vs Jim " Battling " Johnson in title matches. Clearly the five other men I motioned were much better heavyweights than they were.

I will use your questions to explain my positions and educate those who do not know all the details.

[Dr. Z]

Joshua has about 200 heavyweights better than him in the history of boxing. Usyk is not really a heavyweight and he'll kiss the canvas once he fights someone besides Joshua and the other rum-dums he's fought. (And he couldn't even knock out Joshua!) Get real. You rating of Joshua and Usyk is comical, absolute nonsense and no one, repeat no one, will be talking about those two fighters in the next fifty years as great heavyweights. Joshua couldn't dent a cream puff and your fantasy, illusionary boxing comments are fit for bird cage liner.

Wow 200! Can you please name them? IMO, Joshua is a top 50 head to head heavyweight of all time both in resume and accomplishemts.

Usyk is too.

[QueensburyRules]

Joshua has to be one of the most overrated heavyweights in the history of boxing. Skill? He’s a powder puff that can’t take a punch. Galento would have knocked him out. Unless, of course, you believe Joshua is a heavier puncher and better combo thrower than Joe Louis. Right.

- - Plenty of lessers KOed Galento, not the least being a retired Dempsey who jumped into the ring in street clothes to accomplish it inside a nanosecond.

What grade you be in this September?

[them_apples]

Wow 200! Can you please name them? IMO, Joshua is a top 50 head to head heavyweight of all time both in resume and accomplishemts.

Usyk is too.

Wouldn’t be that hard. There’s probably more than 200 out there tbh.

and on the Galento topic, Galento had about 35 natural lbs on Toney, who started his career at 160. Just because he ate bad doesn’t mean he wasn’t a middleweight. He was, Bill Miller said his hands and wrists weren’t big enough to be a true heavyweight, but Toney was very strong, and also on some pretty strong gear. You can see him against Holyfield just bristling with testosterone after the bout. Then he failed the drug test lol.

Galento is over 200 lbs as a long distance runner, once again you are only looking at height and weight, not bone structure or natural muscle mass. Toney would never drop Louis like the way Galento did.