Louis Talks To Jimmy Cannon After Walcott 1

[Ivich]

Jimmy Cannon the famous boxing writer was a good friend and confidante of Joe Louis
After Louis' narrow squeak win over Walcott the first time,Joe holed up in a Manhattan apartment for a week,nursing his bruises.Cannon rang him and Joe said ,"come up".
Here is some of their conversation.Louis " I made the fight tough for myself.He didn't make it tough for me.He did so many wrong things.I saw every opening,but I couldn't go get him.It was a lousy fight. It's like a guy running ,you can't make a sprint at the end.
your legs feel you can go ,but you feel bad in the,"
I should have weighed 214,I weighed 215 and sometime the day before the fight ,I killed myself taking off the 4 lb . But that ain't no excuse ,it was a lousy fight? "
Cannon."why did you dry out?" Louis."I don't know,I guess I figured it was a good weight."
Louis points to a bunch of roses in a vase.- if you don't water them the flowers got to die.That's me.The day before the fight I had four lamb chops .No juice. Nothing else.No water all day,I eat no more,not even water .until 2 o clock ,the day of the fight.
You got to have strength to go to a guy,I was weak."

Cannon."When did you know you weren't right?"
Louis." In the dressing room","I was warming up in there for fifteen minutes.I knew I didn't have the strength in the dressing room."
Cannon.The punch that knocked you down in the first was a sucker punch."

Louis."You can see it coming when you're weak,but you're late getting up there.I saw every right hand ,but it hit me anyway.One thing I'm happy to know."
Cannon." What's that?"
Louis." I made it tough for myself,he didn't."
Cannon."I thought you lost the fight."
Louis.On my little daughter,I never thought at any time I lost the fight.I chased his tail all the rest of the night.
You knock a man down,you're supposed to go at a man.He knocked me down and then-run-run -run."

Cannon ."Suppose they had given him the decision?"


Louis."If they had given him the decision,I wouldn't have cared about it.What I mean is it would have been alright with me.
What the decision says,you got to go by it.I wouldn't have mentioned it."

But you were so sore,you tried to leave the ring before the decision came down."

Louis " I was mad because I was so silly,getting hit by those sucker punches.Seeing them coming and getting hit."
"This is no excuse it was a lousy fight.
Everybody say something.Everyone give a reason why you do this.

No one knows what's in your mind,but you do I can tell you how I feel,but you don't know how I feel.
I had no excuse for a lousy fight."

Louis weighed 211lbs for the fight.
Jimmy Cannon scored it 8 -7 for Walcott.

[Dr. Z]

Jimmy Cannon the famous boxing writer was a good friend and confidante of Joe Louis
After Louis' narrow squeak win over Walcott the first time,Joe holed up in a Manhattan apartment for a week,nursing his bruises.Cannon rang him and Joe said ,"come up".
Here is some of their conversation.Louis " I made the fight tough for myself.He didn't make it tough for me.He did so many wrong things.I saw every opening,but I couldn't go get him.It was a lousy fight. It's like a guy running ,you can't make a sprint at the end.
your legs feel you can go ,but you feel bad in the,"
I should have weighed 214,I weighed 215 and sometime the day before the fight ,I killed myself taking off the 4 lb . But that ain't no excuse ,it was a lousy fight? "
Cannon."why did you dry out?" Louis."I don't know,I guess I figured it was a good weight."
Louis points to a bunch of roses in a vase.- if you don't water them the flowers got to die.That's me.The day before the fight I had four lamb chops .No juice. Nothing else.No water all day,I eat no more,not even water .until 2 o clock ,the day of the fight.
You got to have strength to go to a guy,I was weak."

Cannon."When did you know you weren't right?"
Louis." In the dressing room","I was warming up in there for fifteen minutes.I knew I didn't have the strength in the dressing room."
Cannon.The punch that knocked you down in the first was a sucker punch."

Louis."You can see it coming when you're weak,but you're late getting up there.I saw every right hand ,but it hit me anyway.One thing I'm happy to know."
Cannon." What's that?"
Louis." I made it tough for myself,he didn't."
Cannon."I thought you lost the fight."
Louis.On my little daughter,I never thought at any time I lost the fight.I chased his tail all the rest of the night.
You knock a man down,you're supposed to go at a man.He knocked me down and then-run-run -run."

Cannon ."Suppose they had given him the decision?"


Louis."If they had given him the decision,I wouldn't have cared about it.What I mean is it would have been alright with me.
What the decision says,you got to go by it.I wouldn't have mentioned it."

But you were so sore,you tried to leave the ring before the decision came down."

Louis " I was mad because I was so silly,getting hit by those sucker punches.Seeing them coming and getting hit."
"This is no excuse it was a lousy fight.
Everybody say something.Everyone give a reason why you do this.

No one knows what's in your mind,but you do I can tell you how I feel,but you don't know how I feel.
I had no excuse for a lousy fight."

Louis weighed 211lbs for the fight.
Jimmy Cannon scored it 8 -7 for Walcott.

Louis was knocked down not once but twice. He is lucky this fight was not scored under the 10 point must system. Otherwise Walcott gets two 10-8 rounds. As it was Louis is very lucky his judges gave him the decision. Most sports writers scored the fight for Walcott by a 2 to 1 ratio.

[Ivich]

Louis was knocked down not once but twice. He is lucky this fight was not scored under the 10 point must system. Otherwise Walcott gets two 10-8 rounds. As it was Louis is very lucky his judges gave him the decision. Most sports writers scored the fight for Walcott by a 2 to 1 ratio.

"The punch that knocked you down in the first," refers to the 1 st kd ,it does not say or imply there was not a second kd.
I put up an interview that I felt might be of some interest to posters.Im not going to argue the merits of the decision as I haven't seen the complete fight and neither have you and, though I have been watching fights for 62 years I don't pretend I can give a definitive verdict on an incomplete fight ,that has been edited down to just show highlights.

I'm not interested in your response,as far as I'm concerned your opinion on Louis is,ill informed and irrationally biased to the extent of including outright deliberate lies . This is demonstrated by silly remarks such as "his judges."
Just for the education of the ******ed moron that you are.The referee and 2 judges for the 2 Louis v Walcott fights were .
ALL DIFFERENT!
If Louis was going to have corrupt officials rescue him in his close call with Walcott, wouldnt he,as Champion have ensured he had them for the rematch?

You have no logic,and no brains, just hateful,libelous smears,offered as usual ,without a shred of evidence to support them.



Just do one, go pollute your own threads you sad, sick creature.

[Dr. Z]

I think Jimmy Cannon, a friend of Louis scored for for Walcott as did 2/3 of the sports writers who saw the match. My point that the match was not scored on the ten point must system is a key point and one that favors Louis. If it was Walcott get 2 to 10- 8 rounds, and scoring it for Louis becomes outrageously bad. The original ref Donovan was so biased he was kicked out of referring for Louis. But you have to have some objectivity and brains, which unfortunately for you lack.

Now isn't there a free mason meeting coming up soon? Come now, you must abide by their secrets clothes and fund the lodge leader's pyramid scheme and buy them. Don't forget to practice your chants, like the freak you are.

[Ivich]

I think Jimmy Cannon, a friend of Louis scored for for Walcott as did 2/3 of the sports writers who saw the match. My point that the match was not scored on the ten point must system is a key point and one that favors Louis. If it was Walcott get 2 to 10- 8 rounds, and scoring it for Louis becomes outrageously bad. The original ref Donovan was so biased he was kicked out of referring for Louis. But you have to have some objectivity and brains, which unfortunately for you lack.

Now isn't there a free mason meeting coming up soon? Come now, you must abide by their secrets clothes and fund the lodge leader's pyramid scheme and buy them. Don't forget to practice your chants, like the freak you are.

Donovan was never kicked out of reffing any Louis fight,if you disagree provide proof to the contrary! No lodge meetings ATM, just got back from Mauritius today.
Apart from telling lies and attempting to smear great champions on here ,what have you been doing for the last 18 days i have been on vacation? lol

Cannon scored it 8-7 for Walcott and I said so.8-7 is a very close fight
Nat Fleischer
James P Dawson
Red Smith
Bill Corum
John Lardner
Were among those who scored it for Louis,were they paid off too?

Joe Louis vs. Jersey Joe Walcott (1st meeting)

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NBA	1	11.09.1947
NBA	1	11.07.1947

Walcott floors Louis in round four. 211 lbs beat 194 lbs by SD in round 15 of 15

• Date: 1947-12-05
• Location: Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA
• Referee: 6-7
• Judge: 8-6
• Judge: 9-6

• World Heavyweight Championship (24th defense by Louis)
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Notes

• Louis was a 10 to 1 betting favorite.
• A crowd of 18,194 produced a gate of $216,477.
• Louis was down in rounds one and four.
• Louis was so disgusted by his performance that he attempted to leave the ring as soon as the fight ended, but he was restrained by his handlers.
• A ringside poll of 32 boxing writers had 21 scoring the bout for Walcott, ten scoring it for Louis and one calling it a draw.

Newspaper Votes

• Jim Schlemmer, sporting editor, Akron Beacon Journal (Akron, OH) - Walcott
• Jesse A. Linthicum, sporting editor, The Sun (Baltimore, MD) - 8-5-2 Walcott (score provided by Associated Press)
• Jean Rouchard. The Evening Sun (Baltimore, MD) - 8-6-1 Walcott
• Joe Lee, Brooklyn Eagle (Brooklyn, NY) - 8-7 Louis (score provided by United Press)
• Tommy Holmes, Brooklyn Eagle (Brooklyn, NY) - Walcott
• Ralph Frost, Brooklyn Eagle (Brooklyn, NY) - Walcott
• Tom Ryan, sporting editor, Evening Courier (Camden, NJ) - 12-2-1 Walcott
• Wilfrid Smith, Chicago Daily Tribube (Chicago, IL) - 8-6-1 Louis (score provided by United Press)
• James E. Doyle, Cleveland Plain Dealer (Cleveland, OH) - 10-4-1 Walcott
• Gordon Cobble****, sporting editor, Cleveland Plain Dealer (Cleveland, OH) - 7-6-2 Walcott (score provided by Associated Press and United Press)
• Jack Sharkey, International News Service - Walcott
• Frank Eck, Associated Press - 9-6 Walcott
• Elliott Cushing, ******** and Chronicle (Rochester, NY) - 8-6-1 Walcott
• Jack Cuddy, United Press - 7-6-2 Walcott
• Ray Grody, Milwaukee Sentinel (Milwaukee, WI) - 7-6-2 Walcott (score provided by United Press)
• George A. Barton, Minneapolis Morning Tribune (Minneapolis, MI) - 8-6-1 Walcott
• Alan Harvey, Canadian Press - 6-5-4 Walcott
• Gene Ward, Daily News (New York, NY) - 7-6-2 Walcott
• Joe Trimble, Daily News (New York, NY) - 7-6-2 Louis (score provided by Associated Press and United Press)
• Al Buck, New York Post (New York, NY) - 8-5-2 Louis.
• Leonard Cohen, New York Post (New York, NY) - 8-6-1 Walcott
• Jimmy Cannon, New York Post (New York, NY) - 8 rounds for Walcott
• Anthony Marenghi, Newark Star-Ledger (Newark, NJ) - 7-6-2 Louis
• Joe Gootter, Paterson Evening News (Paterson, NJ) - 9-6 Louis
• Al Abrams, sporting editor, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (Pittsburgh, PA) - 8-6-1 Walcott
• W. J. McGoogan, St. Louis Post-Dispatch (St. Louis, MO) - 7-7-1
• John M. Flynn, sporting editor, The Berkshire Evening Eagle (Pittsfield, MA) - Walcott
• Clif Keane, The Boston Daily Globe (Boston, MA) - 8-5-2 Louis
• Bill Cunningham, The Boston Herald (Boston, MA) - 7-6-2 Walcott (score provided by United Press)
• Sec Taylor, sporting editor, The Des Moines Register (Des Moines, IA) - 8-6-1 Walcott
• Burton Hawkins, The Evening Star (Washington, DC) - 7-6-2 Walcott
• Bill Lee, sporting editor, The Hartford Courant (Hartford, CT) - 7-4-4 Walcott
• Charlie Tiang, sporting editor, The Kingston Daily Freeman (Kingston, NY) - 9-4-2 Walcott
• Wendell Smith, sporting editor, The Pittsburgh Courier (Pittsburgh, PA) - 7-6-2 Louis
• James P. Dawson, The New York Times (New York, NY) - 8-7 Louis
• Joseph C. Nichols, New York Times - 8-7 Louis (score provided by Associated Press and United Press)
• John Webster, The Philadelphia Inquirer and Public Ledger (Philadelphia, PA) - 11-3-1 Walcott
• Lawton Carver, sporting editor, International News Service - 7-5-3 Louis
• Harold W. Heinz, The Springfield Union (Springfield, MA) - 8-5-2 Walcott
• John McNulty, PM Daily (New York, NY) - 7-6-2 Walcott
• Tom Meany, sporting editor, PM Daily (New York, NY) - 9-6 Louis (score provided by Associated Press)
• Nat Fleischer, The Ring (New York, NY) - 8-6-1 Louis

• Wilbur Wood, sporting editor, New York Sun - 11-4 Walcott
• Grantland Rice, New York Sun - 11-4 Walcott
• Lester Bromberg, New York World Telegram - 10-5 Walcott
• Joe Williams, New York World Telegram - Walcott
• Max Case, New York Journal-American - Walcott
• Frank Graham, New York Journal-American - Walcott
• Lewis Burton, New York Journal-American - Walcott
• Bill Corum, New York Journal-American - 8-7 Louis
• Dan Parker, New York Daily Mirror - 9-6 Louis (according to AP) or 8-7 Louis (according to UP)
• Jim Jennings, New York Daily Mirror - 7-6-2 Louis
• Jesse Abramson, New York Herald Tribune - 8-7 Louis
• Red Smith, New York Herald Tribune - 8-7 Louis
• Ted Meier, Associated Press - 11-3-1 Walcott
• Hugh S. Fullerton, Associated Press - Walcott. "He scored the harder punches."
• Murray Rose, Associated Press - 9-5-1 Walcott
• Ted Smits, Associated Press - Walcott
• Gayle Talbot, Associated Press - 10-4-1 Walcott
• Leo H. Peterson, sporting editor, United Press - 7-5-3 Walcott
• Oscar Fraley, United Press - 7-6-2 Walcott
• Bob Considine, International News Service - 8-7 Walcott
• Davis J. Walsh, International News Service - 8-3-4 Walcott
• Harry Grayson, Newspaper Enterprise Association - 8-4-3 Walcott
• John Lardner, North American Newspaper Alliance - Louis
• John Carmichael, sporting editor, Chicago Daily News - 11-4 Walcott (according to AP) or 8-4-3 Walcott (according to UP)
• Gene Kessler, Chicago Times - 7-6-2 Walcott
• Clair Kelley, Chicago Herald-American - 9-3-3 Walcott
• Jack Conway, Boston American - Louis
• Gerry Hern, Boston Post - 7-7-1 (according to AP and Al Buck of NY Post) or 7-6-2 Walcott (according to UP)
• Ed Delaney, Philadelphia Daily News - Walcott
• Matt Ring, Philadelphia Evening Bulletin - 8-7 Walcott
• Whitey Lewis, Cleveland News - 8-7 Walcott
• Franklin Lewis, Cleveland Press - Walcott
• Shirley Povich, Washington Post - Walcott
• Bob Addie, Washinton Times-Herald - 9-3-3 Walcott
• Hank O'Donnell, Waterbury ********** - 12-2-1 Walcott
• George Edmond, St. Paul Pioneer Press - 8-5-2 Louis
• Bill Demuth, Wheeling Intelligencer - 8-5-2 Walcott
• Robert Bre, La Presse (Paris, France) - 7-5-3 Louis
• Jean Kroutchtain, AFP (French News Agency) - 7-5-3 Walcott
• Bob Murphy, Detroit Evening Times, 8-5-2 Walcott

This is taken from the top 5 referees of all time
.It places Donovan at number 2 ,only Arthur Mercante being above him.
2. Arthur Donovan

Country: USA

Son of former Civil War veteran and American bare knuckle middleweight champion Mike Donovan, Arthur was born with boxing in his blood. Arthur ended his career as a professional boxer to become one of the best referees in his profession between the two world wars. Donovan was incorruptible and his employment at the New York Athletic Club kept him independent. His presence during so many major heavyweight title fights of the time was a sign that he had the total trust of the boxing establishment with his impeccable timing, judgement, and his fleet footed refereeing style. He officiated 20 of Joe Louis’ contests including both fights with Max Schmeling, and 14 heavyweight championship fights between 1933 and 1946. Donovan became the first referee inducted into IBHOF in 1993.

[Dr. Z]

Ivich

Donovan was never kicked out of reffing any Louis fight,if you disagree provide proof to the contrary! No lodge meetings ATM, just got back from Mauritius today.
Apart from telling lies and attempting to smear great champions on here ,what have you been doing for the last 18 days i have been on vacation? lol

Cannon scored it 8-7 for Walcott and I said so.8-7 is a very close fight
Nat Fleischer
James P Dawson
Red Smith
Bill Corum
John Lardner
Were among those who scored it for Louis,were they paid off too?

Just shut up!


PROTEST IS ISSUED ON FIGHT REFEREE; Webster, Manager of Walcott, Advises Against Donovan for Louis Title Bout.






Louis wanted to leave the ring and the crowd's reaction to the decision was loudly booed! Donovan was kicked out the fight because the Walcott camp fought he as biased.

[Willie Pep 229]

Just shut up!


PROTEST IS ISSUED ON FIGHT REFEREE; Webster, Manager of Walcott, Advises Against Donovan for Louis Title Bout.






Louis wanted to leave the ring and the crowd's reaction to the decision was loudly booed! Donovan was kicked out the fight because the Walcott camp fought he as biased.

I can understand the desire to outst Donovan, but it could simply be that they didn't want someone so familiar with Louis' style, more than they thought the man crooked.

I could see me making the same demand but not necessarily thinking Donovan was crooked.

[Willie Pep 229]

Just shut up!


PROTEST IS ISSUED ON FIGHT REFEREE; Webster, Manager of Walcott, Advises Against Donovan for Louis Title Bout.






Louis wanted to leave the ring and the crowd's reaction to the decision was loudly booed! Donovan was kicked out the fight because the Walcott camp fought he as biased.

My subscription to Time Machine lapsed any chance you could post the article in complete defiance of, and illegally, so I might read it?

I have no respect for those who sell knowledge.

An artist's song I can respect the copyright to, and never bootleg a 99 cent song, I pay. But trying to profit off 80 year old news articles is bogus. F-them.

[Dr. Z]

I can understand the desire to outst Donovan, but it could simply be that they didn't want someone so familiar with Louis' style, more than they thought the man crooked.

I could see me making the same demand but not necessarily thinking Donovan was crooked.

Louis still had the other two MSG judges. Again scoring in on the ten point must system changes even their cards by two points.

[Ivich]

I can understand the desire to outst Donovan, but it could simply be that they didn't want someone so familiar with Louis' style, more than they thought the man crooked.

I could see me making the same demand but not necessarily thinking Donovan was crooked.

Since Donovan had not refereed the 1st Walcott fight.I find this to be a non runner!