Since this forum is so obsessed with weight

[them_apples]

How does the debut Marciano at 192 fair against the 212 lb version of Wilder? Wilder can't box so it makes sense the lighter weight probably effected him, it's not like this guy can move round and utilize it.

That's a 20 lb weight discrepancy.

Louis vs Rocky was a bigger weight discrepancy. Foreman Holyfield was 30-40 lbs difference. Ruiz vs Joshua 2 was something around there as well, if not more. How are these victories even possible?

How does Marciano do against a 255 lb James Toney, who he's actually seeing eye to eye with for once but also giving up 60+ lbs. The same Toney that was beating or staying neck and neck with 230+ lb "behemoths"

Does character mean nothing?

If Louis can stop men bigger than Lewis, and Lewis has been stopped by men Louis size but vastly inferior in capability - does Louis not stand at least half a chance? lol

[QueensburyRules]

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[Ivich]

How does the debut Marciano at 192 fair against the 212 lb version of Wilder? Wilder can't box so it makes sense the lighter weight probably effected him, it's not like this guy can move round and utilize it.

That's a 20 lb weight discrepancy.

Louis vs Rocky was a bigger weight discrepancy. Foreman Holyfield was 30-40 lbs difference. Ruiz vs Joshua 2 was something around there as well, if not more. How are these victories even possible?

How does Marciano do against a 255 lb James Toney, who he's actually seeing eye to eye with for once but also giving up 60+ lbs. The same Toney that was beating or staying neck and neck with 230+ lb "behemoths"

Does character mean nothing?

If Louis can stop men bigger than Lewis, and Lewis has been stopped by men Louis size but vastly inferior in capability - does Louis not stand at least half a chance? lol

If Marciano functioned best at 192lbs,[he only weighed that once,] he would have weighed that in his other fights ,but he didn't so he fought lighter. Louis was an old 37years old man scaling his heaviest ever when he faced Rocky,his best weight was around 202/205lbs He didnt lose to Rocky because he was heavier,his weight had nothing to do with it ,he lost because he was washed up at top level.and had neither the stamina ,the legs,speed , timing, or the reflexes to deliver his power anymore. Nor did he have the punch resistance of a younger man to weather the sort of punishment Rocky was capable of dishing out once his target became stationary.
Foreman lost to Holyfield because he was an old man, the 220lbs young Foreman would ko Evander imo.
Ruiz beat AJ because he had faster hands and when Joshua caught him he got complacent and walked in looking for an early night and walked into a big shot ,plus AJ isnt that special . Ruiz couldnt beat Parker and AJ handled him reasonably well 2nd time around as well as beating Parker.who lacked ambition in their fight imo.
Toney was a crafty defensive counterpuncher an exact opposite of Rocky, Marciano would beat him on work rate but Fat Toney would probably still be there at the finish. Stopping bigger men is one thing ,stopping bigger men who are skillful and power puncher is another! Lewis was never stopped by a man Louis' size,McCall was 231 3/4lbs day before weigh in. Rahman was 238lbs .
Louis stands an excellent chance with any heavyweight who ever lived imo.There are a few I would not make him favourite to beat, but he would have a good chance against them imo.

[them_apples]

If Marciano functioned best at 192lbs,[he only weighed that once,] he would have weighed that in his other fights ,but he didn't so he fought lighter. Louis was an old 37years old man scaling his heaviest ever when he faced Rocky,his best weight was around 202/205lbs He didnt lose to Rocky because he was heavier,his weight had nothing to do with it ,he lost because he was washed up at top level.and had neither the stamina ,the legs,speed , timing, or the reflexes to deliver his power anymore. Nor did he have the punch resistance of a younger man to weather the sort of punishment Rocky was capable of dishing out once his target became stationary.
Foreman lost to Holyfield because he was an old man, the 220lbs young Foreman would ko Evander imo.
Ruiz beat AJ because he had faster hands and when Joshua caught him he got complacent and walked in looking for an early night and walked into a big shot ,plus AJ isnt that special . Ruiz couldnt beat Parker and AJ handled him reasonably well 2nd time around as well as beating Parker.who lacked ambition in their fight imo.
Toney was a crafty defensive counterpuncher an exact opposite of Rocky, Marciano would beat him on work rate but Fat Toney would probably still be there at the finish. Stopping bigger men is one thing ,stopping bigger men who are skillful and power puncher is another! Lewis was never stopped by a man Louis' size,McCall was 231 3/4lbs day before weigh in. Rahman was 238lbs

Ill be honest my post was littered with sarcasm.

and how do we know the bloat guts today wouldn’t function better lighter? Day before weigh in means nothing at heavy. Both mcall and rahman inflated big time.

[QueensburyRules]

If Marciano functioned best at 192lbs,[he only weighed that once,] he would have weighed that in his other fights ,but he didn't so he fought lighter. Louis was an old 37years old man scaling his heaviest ever when he faced Rocky,his best weight was around 202/205lbs He didnt lose to Rocky because he was heavier,his weight had nothing to do with it ,he lost because he was washed up at top level.and had neither the stamina ,the legs,speed , timing, or the reflexes to deliver his power anymore. Nor did he have the punch resistance of a younger man to weather the sort of punishment Rocky was capable of dishing out once his target became stationary.
Foreman lost to Holyfield because he was an old man, the 220lbs young Foreman would ko Evander imo.
Ruiz beat AJ because he had faster hands and when Joshua caught him he got complacent and walked in looking for an early night and walked into a big shot ,plus AJ isnt that special . Ruiz couldnt beat Parker and AJ handled him reasonably well 2nd time around as well as beating Parker.who lacked ambition in their fight imo.
Toney was a crafty defensive counterpuncher an exact opposite of Rocky, Marciano would beat him on work rate but Fat Toney would probably still be there at the finish. Stopping bigger men is one thing ,stopping bigger men who are skillful and power puncher is another! Lewis was never stopped by a man Louis' size,McCall was 231 3/4lbs day before weigh in. Rahman was 238lbs

- - Ol' George had the supposed "best trained heavywt in the history of the world" Vander hanging on to him like a wet suit for survival in the championship rounds, and it weren't because George was an old man.

Like George ruined Ali for the rest of his career looking at post George performances compared to pre George, he did the same to Vander.

[Ivich]

Ill be honest my post was littered with sarcasm.

and how do we know the bloat guts today wouldn’t function better lighter? Day before weigh in means nothing at heavy. Both mcall and rahman inflated big time.

Right both probably weighed heavier come fight time ,which makes the weight disparity between them and Louis even more glaring.Any visible fat on McCall or Rahman in those fights?

[Dr. Z]

How does the debut Marciano at 192 fair against the 212 lb version of Wilder? Wilder can't box so it makes sense the lighter weight probably effected him, it's not like this guy can move round and utilize it.

That's a 20 lb weight discrepancy.

Louis vs Rocky was a bigger weight discrepancy. Foreman Holyfield was 30-40 lbs difference. Ruiz vs Joshua 2 was something around there as well, if not more. How are these victories even possible?

How does Marciano do against a 255 lb James Toney, who he's actually seeing eye to eye with for once but also giving up 60+ lbs. The same Toney that was beating or staying neck and neck with 230+ lb "behemoths"

Does character mean nothing?

If Louis can stop men bigger than Lewis, and Lewis has been stopped by men Louis size but vastly inferior in capability - does Louis not stand at least half a chance? lol

I like Rocky to knockout Wilder the 212 pound version with vada testing! Wilder has a glass jaw and a sting bean body type. In my experience those types do not take a good body punch which Marciano has. For better or worse, Wilder's only test is vs three losing efforts ( the draw was bogus ) vs Fury. He was KO'd twice, and Fury isn't a puncher. Besides Wilder was near lesser fighters and that's before he Ko'd them. Wilder is not a good boxer or defender. Reasons why I like Marciano via stoppage.

[Ivich]

I like Rocky to knockout Wilder the 212 pound version with vada testing! Wilder has a glass jaw and a sting bean body type. In my experience those types do not take a good body punch which Marciano has. For better or worse, Wilder's only test is vs three losing efforts ( the draw was bogus ) vs Fury. He was KO'd twice, and Fury isn't a puncher. Besides Wilder was near lesser fighters and that's before he Ko'd them. Wilder is not a good boxer or defender. Reasons why I like Marciano via stoppage.

Any time a man 270lbs hits you its going to hurt I watched Fury take out Dillian Whyte with one uppercut, he's no feather fist .

[Dr. Z]

Any time a man 270lbs hits you its going to hurt I watched Fury take out Dillian Whyte with one uppercut, he's no feather fist .

True. But I think Whyte and Wilder we weak in the chin department. And Fury is not a puncher. He's not feather fisted either. Fury is somewhere in-between to two. If he hits you enough, he can get his man out of there. But is it too much for him to face a top 10 ring ****zine raked heavyweight in his prime? Aside for Whyte who had a disgracefully performance and really should be have been ranked as he has been exposed before, Fury has not beaten a 35 and under man top 10 ring ****zine ranked guy. His list includes the very old, the glass jawed, and the not very good.

[QueensburyRules]

How does the debut Marciano at 192 fair against the 212 lb version of Wilder? Wilder can't box so it makes sense the lighter weight probably effected him, it's not like this guy can move round and utilize it.

That's a 20 lb weight discrepancy.

Louis vs Rocky was a bigger weight discrepancy. Foreman Holyfield was 30-40 lbs difference. Ruiz vs Joshua 2 was something around there as well, if not more. How are these victories even possible?

How does Marciano do against a 255 lb James Toney, who he's actually seeing eye to eye with for once but also giving up 60+ lbs. The same Toney that was beating or staying neck and neck with 230+ lb "behemoths"

Does character mean nothing?

If Louis can stop men bigger than Lewis, and Lewis has been stopped by men Louis size but vastly inferior in capability - does Louis not stand at least half a chance? lol

- - I coulda beat 250 lb Tubbney, that's how Rocky does. Need to try harder with hypotheticals.