Prime Liston vs HOF team Mike Tyson

[QueensburyRules]

- - Be a blowout KO for Mike, not to diminish the obvious reach advantage of Sonny. D1ck Sadler was no match for Cus C'Amato as a trainer leveraging Mike's formidable natural attributes.

[The Old LefHook]

**** Saddler is not the one who polished Liston, Willie Reddish was. And Willie was a training match for anyone, and once fought Walcott for 10 of 'em.

[them_apples]

- - Be a blowout KO for Mike, not to diminish the obvious reach advantage of Sonny. D1ck Sadler was no match for Cus C'Amato as a trainer leveraging Mike's formidable natural attributes.

I like Saddler over Cus as a trainer. cus is overated with his peakaboo style.

[The Old LefHook]

Saddler is irrelevant to the discussion.

[QueensburyRules]

Saddler is irrelevant to the discussion.

- - Saddler mentored by Doc Kearns played a key role in Sonny and George development has gravitas. Dunno much about Reddish, but here tis his boxrec profile. With a 33% KO ratio, don't think he was as "avoided" as claimed. More likely he fought in the classic "spoiler" style to make up for lack of size and power.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Saddler mentored by Doc Kearns played a key role in Sonny and George development has gravitas. Dunno much about Reddish, but here tis his boxrec profile. With a 33% KO ratio, don't think he was as "avoided" as claimed. More likely he fought in the classic "spoiler" style to make up for lack of size and power.

Every Black fighter with a weak resume is claimed to have been avoided. Some actually were, but it is the go to statement when touting the quality of a Black fighter who's resume doesn't back it up.

I saw three opportunities to step up, Walcott, Lewis, Simon. He dropped all three. One victory and his career would have changed completely.

[QueensburyRules]

Every Black fighter with a weak resume is claimed to have been avoided. Some actually were, but it is the go to statement when touting the quality of a Black fighter who's resume doesn't back it up.

I saw three opportunities to step up, Walcott, Lewis, Simon. He dropped all three. One victory and his career would have changed completely.

- - Apparently Joe Louis ducked a dozen black fighters who seldom appeared in the Ring rankings so he could fight the Ring ranked opponents in spite of not responsible for his manager/promoter's matchmaking...

[The Old LefHook]

- - Saddler mentored by Doc Kearns played a key role in Sonny and George development has gravitas. Dunno much about Reddish, but here tis his boxrec profile. With a 33% KO ratio, don't think he was as "avoided" as claimed. More likely he fought in the classic "spoiler" style to make up for lack of size and power.

You don't know much about anything. That is one of your problems, halfwit.

[The Old LefHook]

Mentored by Doc Kearns makes one a great trainer now. Kearns just called himself a trainer to stay close to that money too.

[QueensburyRules]

Mentored by Doc Kearns makes one a great trainer now. Kearns just called himself a trainer to stay close to that money too.

- - No different to any other trainer who ever existed.

Where Doc exceeded other trainers was in his crookery and deceit that had no bounds, P4P as it were.