a 14-year old fan's inaccurate top 50 all-time

[them_apples]

Listen kid ive always been the young blood in this forum, unfortunately I realize I am no longer young, as I joined 14 or something years ago. However this is prob an alt

[QueensburyRules]

John L was crowned world champion on a draw....times change.

- -What are you talking about?

[Willie Pep 229]

SRR drew with a poor journeyman in his absolute prime aged 27. Imagine how that result would go down today? And the fact is, the draw flattered him. Tyson Fury is the best HW ever by a distance and he is not even on your garbage list. Boxing is not for you kid. Nash out.

So you're that guy - you were using this same cherry picked SRR fact in an alt's signature to distort SRR's greatness (so as to phrase TBE.) Almost the same wording.

So here's the same reply: SRR fought five days before that draw and again 15 days after it. He was barnstorming, he fought once a month minimum for five straight years, please find me a contemporary fighter who could put together that many wins (with a few draws thrown in) fighting half as many fights.

Nash caught cherry picking; Nash out!

[Willie Pep 229]

- -What are you talking about?

The bare knuckle draw in England with Charlie Mitchell. You know Mar's theory: Early American greats didn't fight worldwide but still claimed 'world titles' anyway.

[Marchegiano]

Times have changed but on the whole boxers from eras gone by get judged on a far more lenient level than current day greats, so by default, they get rated higher, which to me, is an unfair system. Nash out.

Truth, pond gets smaller as you go back in time.

[QueensburyRules]

The bare knuckle draw in England with Charlie Mitchell. You know Mar's theory: Early American greats didn't fight worldwide but still claimed 'world titles' anyway.

- -Sully was already the acknowledged champ when they fought and boxrec shows a JL TKO of Charlie round 3



I do believe as I recall the first time was an exhibition that was a poor exhibition at best.

[Marchegiano]

The bare knuckle draw in England with Charlie Mitchell. You know Mar's theory: Early American greats didn't fight worldwide but still claimed 'world titles' anyway.

That is true but this was more about the draw in this case and how no one today sees draws as any means of gaining a title today. Times change, ya know. Once greats fought and drew no bodies and fans didn't pay much attention or put much stock into it. Now they do. Once you could get titles by draws, now no way jose.

I wasn't actually questioning the legitimacy of it...this time, but yeah that too. John L was the American champion who drew the English champion for the World title because suck it Ireland and such nonsense

[Marchegiano]

- -Sully was already the acknowledged champ when they fought and boxrec shows a JL TKO of Charlie round 3



I do believe as I recall the first time was an exhibition that was a poor exhibition at best.

Charley-Mitchells-1888-Boxing-Belt3.jpg

Not 1883

John L won the QB title off Dom.

John L won the BK title off Chuckie here.

Well, not off, they were not champions, through is probably more correct.

[QueensburyRules]

Charley-Mitchells-1888-Boxing-Belt3.jpg

Not 1883

John L won the QB title off Dom.

John L won the BK title off Chuckie here.

Well, not off, they were not champions, through is probably more correct.

- -JL fought most all his fights as Queensberry. He won one of his few bareknucks vs Ryan for the title in 1882 for that title, so given he was undefeated in QB until Corbett, that's more lineal than what you have.

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[Marchegiano]

- -JL fought most all his fights as Queensberry. He won one of his few bareknucks vs Ryan for the title in 1882 for that title, so given he was undefeated in QB until Corbett, that's more lineal than what you have.

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I wasn't talking about lineal bud, just how we certainly do not hand out belts for draws anymore.