15 Rounds versus 12... Opinions? Important/ not important?

[billeau2]

Pep mentioned it in a thread with Leonard versus Hearns...it always seems to come up. Those fights that would have changed so dramatically had they been a different amount of rounds. It always bothered me that they took away 15 rounders. Its the championship rounds, and it also makes it more even for punchers. Punchers particularly sometimes need the last few rounds to make it happen.

I just think it sucks that we don't have 15 round championship fights... Makes it skewed in favor of the boxer... Takes away the drama and need for a fighter to go into deep water, to make it happen, etc. whats your feelings, opinions about the issue?

[Flickergrab98]

I feel like 15 rounds is too long. Even if you don’t care about boxers’ health, I’d still argue that a lot of fights start to feel like they’re starting to drag on if they go over 12. (Not saying there aren’t any great 15 round fights, that’d be silly)
The only possible compromise I can imagine settling is allowing 15 rounds but reducing the rounds from 3 minutes to 2 minutes in length.
Or possibly allowing an extra tie breaker round if the judges rule it a draw.

[Nash out]

12 rounds is better. 15 is just to long, especially with a bad style match-up. Nash out.

[ShoulderRoll]

Teofimo Lopez would likely have knocked out Lomachenko if we still had 15 round fights. Excess mass would be a huge detriment to the super heavyweights in 15 rounders.

I say bring them back.

[Willie Pep 229]

25 round no decision fights is the only true measure of a champion.

Boxing is a martial art deployed to win a prize fight, not meant to be an end unto itself.

The game is being degraded by the increasing emphasis placed on boxing technique over actual fighting. Worst yet is this recent, absurd emphasis on fighter safety.

If you are not going to try to KO your opponent best to return to the amateurs.

Livia's Address to the Gladiators, I Claudius

"These games are being degraded by the increasing use of professional tricks to stay alive, and I won’t have it. So put on a good show, and there will be plenty of money and gold plate for the living and a decent burial for the dead, and if not, I’ll break this guild up, and send the lot of you to the mines in Numidia."

[YoungManRumble]

I feel like 15 rounds is too long. Even if you don’t care about boxers’ health, I’d still argue that a lot of fights start to feel like they’re starting to drag on if they go over 12. (Not saying there aren’t any great 15 round fights, that’d be silly)
The only possible compromise I can imagine settling is allowing 15 rounds but reducing the rounds from 3 minutes to 2 minutes in length.
Or possibly allowing an extra tie breaker round if the judges rule it a draw.

Tiebreaker after a decision doesn't really make any sense. Both fighters would already have come down from the adrenaline and would be in a different mindset. Also at least one would likely have their gloves already removed.

[Flickergrab98]

Tiebreaker after a decision doesn't really make any sense. Both fighters would already have come down from the adrenaline and would be in a different mindset. Also at least one would likely have their gloves already removed.

Alright. Then I still say either keep how it is or make it 15 rounds each two minutes in length.

[QueensburyRules]

25 round no decision fights is the only true measure of a champion.

Boxing is a martial art deployed to win a prize fight, not meant to be an end unto itself.

The game is being degraded by the increasing emphasis placed on boxing technique over actual fighting. Worst yet is this recent, absurd emphasis on fighter safety.

If you are not going to try to KO your opponent best to return to the amateurs.

Livia's Address to the Gladiators, I Claudius

"These games are being degraded by the increasing use of professional tricks to stay alive, and I won’t have it. So put on a good show, and there will be plenty of money and gold plate for the living and a decent burial for the dead, and if not, I’ll break this guild up, and send the lot of you to the mines in Numidia."

- -Indeed, it looked like a survivor camp of the mines of Numidia when I returned to a now "secured" BS.

I'd say Kimbo Slice is the closest thing to a London Ring Rules fighter taking it to the people at almost every conceivable industrial setting before being KOed in the UFC. Has a perfect boxing record where he was close to a big fight before taking the dirt nap 6' under. He was too old and shopworn to save boxing, yet pretty much exposed just how irrelevant it has become with the people when he was among the biggest names.

[billeau2]

25 round no decision fights is the only true measure of a champion.

Boxing is a martial art deployed to win a prize fight, not meant to be an end unto itself.

The game is being degraded by the increasing emphasis placed on boxing technique over actual fighting. Worst yet is this recent, absurd emphasis on fighter safety.

If you are not going to try to KO your opponent best to return to the amateurs.

Livia's Address to the Gladiators, I Claudius

"These games are being degraded by the increasing use of professional tricks to stay alive, and I won’t have it. So put on a good show, and there will be plenty of money and gold plate for the living and a decent burial for the dead, and if not, I’ll break this guild up, and send the lot of you to the mines in Numidia."

very insightful post, agree with most of it... I do think your initial distinction disappeared a long time ago when they made boxing into a sport. Sports often ruin martial arts... Kick Boxing destroyed Karate... It was originally designed to let karate guys go at it Hammer and tongs. When it comes to fighting in a ring, there are certain restraints and conditions that make boxing blows a better choice... Sports Ju Jujitsu, Brazilian Ju Jitsu changed the order of applying technique: It used to be do something very nasty to unbalance your opponent and control them (Atemi Waza) then it became, get position on opponent first, then apply technique... would never work that way on the battle field, and in the random chaotic mess that is a confrontation... It works great one on one.

If boxers wore small gloves where force could be transmitted more directly than gloves, it would look like people used to box...

I would make a distinction between amateur bouts and how technique processes in the professional ranks... Keep in mind that since the mid eighteen hundreds trainers have been complaining about how amateur contests affect training in the ring. Technique will always be a golden goose if someone really understands how to use it, and often enough, (something I argue here a lot) unless you know what to look for, you will not see it.

[billeau2]

Alright. Then I still say either keep how it is or make it 15 rounds each two minutes in length.

By the end of this thread, I reckon we will have you at the commission door, demanding 15 rounders!