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[Willie Pep 229]

- -Looks like a t1t for tat correction- He was arrested in 1912 and convicted June 1913 to flee the country. His last fight had been in the barren sticks of New Mexico in something much worse than last Saturday's Rigomortis/Cassi bout.

What I'm saying is that JJ had become irrelevant as far as the media save the puerile Mann Act coverage. I'm also saying sans contributing attribution that you are putting the JJ character in the movie as you change everything about him. Seems a hit or miss stretch at best, but hey ho, artistic license. A decade from now some aspiring writer will make him gay and that will be the new normal...

I hope we can agree to disagree - we will never know what was going through Griffith's head.

I don't think theatrical license is relative to Birth; both the film and the novel, the Klansmen were meant to be fictional stories so anything goes.

It's kind of like when the brothers Coen brilliantly claimed "Fargo" was a true story. The claim was just another part of the fiction to make the film more intense.

I think you are underestimating JJ's impact on white society- I think the timing is perfect; the Cameron-Johoson 'scandal' was at its height (1913) when the fiilm would have been in its conception phase. I.e. screen writing phase.

You seem to have a constant distain for Hollywood history on all topics.

Atre there any Hollywood films you would label as 'good' history?

I certainly can't come up with a boxing film.

I must admit, off the top of my head I can only think of one. But this one I would argue is 'great' history.

"They Shoot Horses Don't They."

They did have the blessing of having to address a microcosm of history, one event, at one location, in a realistic timeframe, but never the less I believe they did a great job of telling a truth.

Really can't think of a second one right now. LoL

[QueensburyRules]

I hope we can agree to disagree - we will never know what was going through Griffith's head.

I don't think theatrical license is relative to Birth; both the film and the novel, the Klansmen were meant to be fictional stories so anything goes.

It's kind of like when the brothers Coen brilliantly claimed "Fargo" was a true story. The claim was just another part of the fiction to make the film more intense.

I think you are underestimating JJ's impact on white society- I think the timing is perfect; the Cameron-Johoson 'scandal' was at its height (1913) when the fiilm would have been in its conception phase. I.e. screen writing phase.

You seem to have a constant distain for Hollywood history on all topics.

Atre there any Hollywood films you would label as 'good' history?

I certainly can't come up with a boxing film.

I must admit, off the top of my head I can only think of one. But this one I would argue is 'great' history.

"They Shoot Horses Don't They."

They did have the blessing of having to address a microcosm of history, one event, at one location, in a realistic timeframe, but never the less I believe they did a great job of telling a truth.

Really can't think of a second one right now. LoL

- -Griffith like MacArthur a 19th century product quite advanced in a storied era of American ascension. I don't think it's a stretch that he wanted, call it the reformed Klan, to ride in to the rescue to rescue Bess tied to the railroad tracks before the Locomotive makes mincemeat of her with Bess being The Reconstruction South abandoned by the North. He was very good with imagery and history which is why most of his films have gravitas even today.

Yes, otherwise Holly atrocious with their history that starts with their first blockbuster that was also international, the Corbett/Fitz phantom punch fight that gave rise to full length feature films and theaters 18 years before the DW blockbuster.

I grew up with Hollywood from day one of my birth like most all post war boomers, so there is a majestic plethora of epics to chose from, but most rather tepid that don't hold up today such that the last film I saw was Lord of the Ring with friends. Before that it was rare to find a film I could take my boys to, certainly not Disney which would have Walt turnover in his grave.

[The Old LefHook]

God, Queensbree is boring!

[billeau2]

Thanks for the critique; no such thing as bad press.

I hope some others will read it and give their opinion.

Willie P,

Lol I meant to PM you as when you first gave the address in a post I took a gander. You have a nice site going with some interesting links. I like the visuals as well.

Regarding the film: Its nice to hear you guys make some arguments regarding timeline... I would settle for people realizing that this film inspired the Klan... prior to Catholics were the bad guys... ***s were always lurking lol. But when Hollywood tells a good story! the rest can only be history.