best left hook in history?

[dreamroom]

You can do any footwork with it so no, it's not about the pivot. Pivot or for power, that's all. You can check hook going forward, backward, left, or right.

You're wrong. The check hook is a lead hook thrown while pivoting or pulling, to counter the right hand. The "check hook going forward" I've never heard of. It's ridiculous. Have you ever been in the ring at any level???

[billeau2]

You're wrong. The check hook is a lead hook thrown while pivoting or pulling, to counter the right hand. The "check hook going forward" I've never heard of. It's ridiculous. Have you ever been in the ring at any level???

Sometimes terminologies get muddled, that is NOT the case here... I will offer pretty good proof as to why there is no mix up. So: already we know that War room claiming Jones uses a check hook is WRONG. Lets prove that when a hook is NOT used as a counter, which is what a check hook is usually used for, and when someone actually does pivot throwing their hook, it is Still NOT a checkbook.

One name: Cooney, Jerry Cooney. Cooney had a hook where he often would slide over and pivot as he threw it. So he WAS pivoting... he WAS NOT using the hook as a counter... and his hook WAS NEVER referred to as a Check Hook. If anybody's hook could be considered for its pivoting action, it was Cooney.

[Anthony342]

Sometimes terminologies get muddled, that is NOT the case here... I will offer pretty good proof as to why there is no mix up. So: already we know that War room claiming Jones uses a check hook is WRONG. Lets prove that when a hook is NOT used as a counter, which is what a check hook is usually used for, and when someone actually does pivot throwing their hook, it is Still NOT a checkbook.

One name: Cooney, Jerry Cooney. Cooney had a hook where he often would slide over and pivot as he threw it. So he WAS pivoting... he WAS NOT using the hook as a counter... and his hook WAS NEVER referred to as a Check Hook. If anybody's hook could be considered for its pivoting action, it was Cooney.

Interesting stuff as always from you. I'm a lot better at studying grappling techniques when watching MMA fights. At least in terms of going as in depth as you do. Didn't Jones usually throw left hooks a lot more often than jabs to set up his right hands? I seem to remember Jones not being much of a jabber.

[Cypocryphy]

Interesting stuff as always from you. I'm a lot better at studying grappling techniques when watching MMA fights. At least in terms of going as in depth as you do. Didn't Jones usually throw left hooks a lot more often than jabs to set up his right hands? I seem to remember Jones not being much of a jabber.

Yes. Jones Jr's nick name was "Captain Hook."

[Flickergrab98]

Yes. Jones Jr's nick name was "Captain Hook."

One of the best nicknames for a boxer ever, imo.

[Willie Pep 229]

One of the best nicknames for a boxer ever, imo.

Really? Seems unimaginative.

The Boilermaker - now there's a nickname you can write home about.. I wonder what the hell it meant circa 1905. Doesn't mean s-hit to me today.

Can we call Mayweather Jr. 'Peter Pan'? - he tended to fly about the ring so.

P.S. If it turns out Jeffries made boilers for a living, please don't tell me.

[dreamroom]

Sometimes terminologies get muddled, that is NOT the case here... I will offer pretty good proof as to why there is no mix up. So: already we know that War room claiming Jones uses a check hook is WRONG. Lets prove that when a hook is NOT used as a counter, which is what a check hook is usually used for, and when someone actually does pivot throwing their hook, it is Still NOT a checkbook.

One name: Cooney, Jerry Cooney. Cooney had a hook where he often would slide over and pivot as he threw it. So he WAS pivoting... he WAS NOT using the hook as a counter... and his hook WAS NEVER referred to as a Check Hook. If anybody's hook could be considered for its pivoting action, it was Cooney.

I disagree with the bolded statement. Mayweather caught Hatton with a big one. Your opponent throws a right hand, you can either pull, or pivot to avoid the right hand while throwing the lead hook. This is referred to as a check hook. TBH, Ive been around for a long time, but have only started hearing that term used in the US in the past decade or so. I've heard some refer to it as a "Russian" check hook, and a "Cuban" check hook.

"In boxing, a check hook is employed to prevent aggressive boxers from lunging in. There are two parts to the check hook. The first part consists of a regular hook. The second, trickier part involves the footwork. As the opponent lunges in, the boxer should throw the hook and pivot on his lead foot and swing his back foot 180 degrees around. "









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[Cypocryphy]

Really? Seems unimaginative.

The Boilermaker - now there's a nickname you can write home about.. I wonder what the hell it meant circa 1905. Doesn't mean s-hit to me today.

Can we call Mayweather Jr. 'Peter Pan'? - he tended to fly about the ring so.

P.S. If it turns out Jeffries made boilers for a living, please don't tell me.

Boilermaker? Really? I don’t know about that Nickname. It makes me think of some guy with a welding apron and face shield on, working on some dingy naval ship. Or marching with his Union brothers during the industrial Revolution period.

It also makes me think of a British Sherman Firefly.

[MikeyMike100]

Suprised few have said Roy Jones

[Willie Pep 229]

Boilermaker? Really? I don’t know about that Nickname. It makes me think of some guy with a welding apron and face shield on, working on some dingy naval ship. Or marching with his Union brothers during the industrial Revolution period.

It also makes me think of a British Sherman Firefly.

Yea see. . . . it sounds rugged . . . Say Captain Hook and I see a slightly effeminate pirate, e.g. Dustin Hoffman; Cyril Ritchard. Can't get past the Peter Pan image.

If The boilermaker doesn't get you there how about Mysterious Billy Smith.

Come on you did say 'best ever' - maybe we need to start a thread and get a consensus.

P.S. What the hell is a 'British Sherman Firefly?