What was the third best era for heavyweights?

[QueensburyRules]

So to your trained eye... a generation of fighters that cannot go to the body, have virtually no head movement, no footwork, are the epigee, pinnacle of success? Lewis was a great fighter, he fought tough guys like Shannon Briggs, Golota, Morrison, Ruddock, who did the Klitchkos fight on that level?

- -If U want pearls before swine, welcome to review the Wlad boxrec record. I be tired of having to diaper U in U elder years.

[Ben Bolt]

What about the 1980s?

It was full of entertainment!

And unwillingly, I would add the Klitschko era.
Just because the bros were superior (and boring to watch), it doesn't
necessarily means it was a bad era.

[billeau2]

- -If U want pearls before swine, welcome to review the Wlad boxrec record. I be tired of having to diaper U in U elder years.

Thats the point! I did... And now I am asking you to explain what victory made either brother a stand out... i bet you cannot do so. vlad fought mandatories that were shiat, Vitalie? lost to Lewis beat Sanders Wow... Who did Vlad beat? Hollyfield? Tyson? Bowe? Nope... Lewis beat them, and would have spanked Bowe if he didn't run away. Pulov or Povetkin may have been Vlad's best win. He lost to Sanders which he never even avenged... He fought a bunch of amatuers who became professionals late... Horrible general level of talent as compared to Lewis for example. And as bad as his comp was Vitalie's was worse!

So tell me what am I missing oh great oracle, oh great idiot savante minus the savante...?

[JAB5239]

Thats the point! I did... And now I am asking you to explain what victory made either brother a stand out... i bet you cannot do so. vlad fought mandatories that were shiat, Vitalie? lost to Lewis beat Sanders Wow... Who did Vlad beat? Hollyfield? Tyson? Bowe? Nope... Lewis beat them, and would have spanked Bowe if he didn't run away. Pulov or Povetkin may have been Vlad's best win. He lost to Sanders which he never even avenged... He fought a bunch of amatuers who became professionals late... Horrible general level of talent as compared to Lewis for example. And as bad as his comp was Vitalie's was worse!

So tell me what am I missing oh great oracle, oh great idiot savante minus the savante...?

Wlad never rematched Sanders, and Bits never rematched Byrd who flew to Germany on a week's notice and made VK quit. People say Boys was winning the fight, and I agree. But he wasn't dominating him and only landed 9 more punches the entire fight. That has always left a sour taste with me. At least Wlad went out on his shield against Sanders. But to quit and not rematch?

[them_apples]

So to your trained eye... a generation of fighters that cannot go to the body, have virtually no head movement, no footwork, are the epigee, pinnacle of success? Lewis was a great fighter, he fought tough guys like Shannon Briggs, Golota, Morrison, Ruddock, who did the Klitchkos fight on that level?

To me the heavyweight division has progressively gotten worse and worse.

I certainly think the late 90s early 2000s was still better than the Klit era. For obvious reasons, Wlad was busy getting slept by Brewster and Saunders.(around that time period) They ended up dominating because there was nobody there to challenge them.

On the topic of Lennox, he's a good fighter because he dominated his era, but his era was sort of on the Weaker side as well. The best way we can judge Lewis is his close fights with a battle worn Holyfield. The rest were guys sort of on their way out or were never tremendous to begin with. Lewis on the other hand, made short work of most of them.

I think it needs to be pointed out when talking about an era, just at what point the era is being discussed. Like for example, Lewis, Holyfield and Tyson were all campaigning during that decade, but both Holyfield and Tyson were on the slide.

Foreman was a force to be reckoned with in the early part of the 90s. Had the 1999 version of Holyfield faced the 93 version of George, it may have ended differently for example.

The Klit era was just has bad as today, all bums. I don't know a single challenge the K bros faced off against during that time period, and anyone half decent beat them.

[QueensburyRules]

Thats the point! I did... And now I am asking you to explain what victory made either brother a stand out... i bet you cannot do so. vlad fought mandatories that were shiat, Vitalie? lost to Lewis beat Sanders Wow... Who did Vlad beat? Hollyfield? Tyson? Bowe? Nope... Lewis beat them, and would have spanked Bowe if he didn't run away. Pulov or Povetkin may have been Vlad's best win. He lost to Sanders which he never even avenged... He fought a bunch of amatuers who became professionals late... Horrible general level of talent as compared to Lewis for example. And as bad as his comp was Vitalie's was worse!

So tell me what am I missing oh great oracle, oh great idiot savante minus the savante...?

- -Git thee a scrum with Kerouac and Ginsberg for a three thick noggin knock around as ye try to figure what heavyweight champ on God's green acres loses to Leon, R.I.P.

[billeau2]

- -Git thee a scrum with Kerouac and Ginsberg for a three thick noggin knock around as ye try to figure what heavyweight champ on God's green acres loses to Leon, R.I.P.

Lol your so predictable. You get beat on the point, get desperate and try for the ole Ad Hominum shuffle... Guess you cannot answer the post as usual...

[billeau2]

Wlad never rematched Sanders, and Bits never rematched Byrd who flew to Germany on a week's notice and made VK quit. People say Boys was winning the fight, and I agree. But he wasn't dominating him and only landed 9 more punches the entire fight. That has always left a sour taste with me. At least Wlad went out on his shield against Sanders. But to quit and not rematch?

No you don't understand!!! But but but Vit and Klit fought their mandatories!! (keeps yelling about the mandatories as they put the straight jacket on and drag him to the padded cell). Seriously that is usually the explanation given as to the unheralded competition faced by the K brothers... I bet most people cannot even remember who half these mandatories were.... as if being mandatories makes them competative. By comparison? Lewis "ducked" (said sarcastically) John Ruiz, the only fighter ever who threw less punches than his manager (Stoney). to fight Oliver McCall who was a much more legit threat at the time.

[Marchegiano]

No you don't understand!!! But but but Vit and Klit fought their mandatories!! (keeps yelling about the mandatories as they put the straight jacket on and drag him to the padded cell). Seriously that is usually the explanation given as to the unheralded competition faced by the K brothers... I bet most people cannot even remember who half these mandatories were.... as if being mandatories makes them competative. By comparison? Lewis "ducked" (said sarcastically) John Ruiz, the only fighter ever who threw less punches than his manager (Stoney). to fight Oliver McCall who was a much more legit threat at the time.

Dude, ****ing Jean-Paul is not a ****ing threat to Wlad. He could have mando'd and fought vols so that we at least get fights often given there was **** all in way of a threat for most of his career. Instead folks act like Mormeck is Bowe and Peter is Tyson and Haye is Holyfield.

Could have at least cleared out the ****ing division. Given, ya know, no one was a threat to the dude.

[billeau2]

Dude, ****ing Jean-Paul is not a ****ing threat to Wlad. He could have mando'd and fought vols so that we at least get fights often given there was **** all in way of a threat for most of his career. Instead folks act like Mormeck is Bowe and Peter is Tyson and Haye is Holyfield.

Could have at least cleared out the ****ing division. Given, ya know, no one was a threat to the dude.

Fighters can use belts, and mandatories as it suites them. They can virtue signal taking on a weak mando... can pretend to be a rebel seeking real smoke avoiding a mando. Or they can challenge themselves to fight the strongest opposition at all times. Lewis generally fought who fans thought would beat him... To me the Klits did the opposite.

If Usyk beats Joshua it will demonstrate how weak this division still is...And it is a good possibility. I don't think he wins, but it would not shock me.