Hagler Vs Leonard Was Not A Close Fight

[QueensburyRules]

- -Easy summation is Ray won the fight with deplorable tactics and Marv won the war with hearts and minds of the general public...

[The plunger man]

With all due respect, guys like Benitez, Whitaker, and dare I say Willie Pep were not often bringing the pain but winning fights on points and style.

I get what you're saying, but do think there is a place for compubox. If a fight goes the distance you can look at it two ways. Who landed more, or who landed harder. But if both have landed solid punches throughout the fight and it goes to decision do you not think it matters who threw and landed more punches? Of course that isn't the end all. But like I said, I think it has its place.

according to this pep fool any fighter that jumps up in weight must stand toe to toe and throw bombs at the bigger fighter till that smaller fighter gets overcome.....work that one out.
And You can beat them on points because you used your natural skill but you didn’t really win because you decided to box him and not fight at a disadvantage.
pep is almost on the same level as queenie.....both fruit of the looms for sure

[The plunger man]

- -Easy summation is Ray won the fight with deplorable tactics and Marv won the war with hearts and minds of the general public...

is that why the whole crowd were solidly in Leonard’s favour in the 12th round ? I remember winning money on it and I remember my brother running down the bookies to see me lose my money and after the fight my brother who was a hagler man openly admitted leonard won.....in the words of Gil Clancy in the 11th....he has hagler tamed now

[HOUDINI563]

Leonard totally outsped Hagler that night. The only way Marvin could have won was by ko or being an effective aggressor. He did neither.

[Willie Pep 229]

according to this pep fool any fighter that jumps up in weight must stand toe to toe and throw bombs at the bigger fighter till that smaller fighter gets overcome.....work that one out.
And You can beat them on points because you used your natural skill but you didn’t really win because you decided to box him and not fight at a disadvantage.
pep is almost on the same level as queenie.....both fruit of the looms for sure

My god it turns out your just another child.

What grade u in?

[Willie Pep 229]

Leonard totally outsped Hagler that night. The only way Marvin could have won was by ko or being an effective aggressor. He did neither.

He foolishly followed Leonard around the ring making him look great. It's what Duran refused to do in III.

[The plunger man]

My god it turns out your just another child.

What grade u in?

not at all I’m telling you how it is and how fighter box to there ability.....but you just want someone to give that all up and then fight someone else’s style....it don’t work that way fella and that’s the way it is

[QueensburyRules]

is that why the whole crowd were solidly in Leonard’s favour in the 12th round ? I remember winning money on it and I remember my brother running down the bookies to see me lose my money and after the fight my brother who was a hagler man openly admitted leonard won.....in the words of Gil Clancy in the 11th....he has hagler tamed now

- -Which crowd? Fight was ppv with fight parties everywhere.

Everyone agrees Marv fought a bad fight, but a running skeetering Ray with his popcorn flurries tamed nobody that night. That he ducked the lucrative rematch to return against the shadows of Tommy or Roberto, ect showed what a brittle, scheming coyote he really was. Big fan of both, but all of Ray transferred to Marv that night. He retired honorably after a year of fruitlessly trying to make the rematch that the people wanted, and so what did Ray do?

He announced a comeback and said he was open for scheming, juking, jiving bizness as usual. He ran from a near 40 year old Duran with more than double the rounds and fights of Ray, and the old guy still managed to cut him up.