McCall vs Lewis (2)

[GJC]

No matter who a boxer fights, people like Sonnyboy will always muster up a few he didn't face. Maybe it's only me, but I can't see Lewis cowering under the kitchen table at the prospect of fighting Chris Byrd or a 94-year-old Larry Holmes. Lewis fought everyone he had to fight who would fight him, and that's all anyone can do.

Lewis always struck me as a very calculating individual in regard to his career so I would imagine that he choose his fights to advance his prospects or earn god forbid money. He took the odd easy fight as do all fighters but I cannot recall him ducking anyone who was at that time a legitimate challenger.

[mickey malone]

This fight was a total farce... with the Lewis camp knowing McCall was on a "Bender" with drugs and getting him to accept this fight before he was `shipped-off`to the drug rehab... McCall done not a single day of training for this fight and was only 3 days out of the rehab before fight night, McCall was not fit mentally nor physically to fight.. yet the Lewis camp claimed their man avenged his defeat in 92.. if a fit and ready McCall had been in the ring this night, again he would have taken care of Lennox Lewis in a matter of a few rounds...this counts as a TKO loss on McCall`s record yet everyone knows this fight was a farce

And don't tell me... You had your usual ring side seat for that one to..
McCall ruined that fight as well as ripping off the punters at the same time.. The whole thing was a load of ****, & not worth doing a thread on.. Unless it's a bottom of the barrel attempt at discrediting the victor of course..

[sonnyboyx2]

And don't tell me... You had your usual ring side seat for that one to..
McCall ruined that fight as well as ripping off the punters at the same time.. The whole thing was a load of ****, & not worth doing a thread on.. Unless it's a bottom of the barrel attempt at discrediting the victor of course..

Lewis vs McCall (1) i was at ringside.. not their 2nd fight...this thread i started so as to discredit no-one, i stated that this fight was a Farce and should never have happened, it was well known at the time that McCall was a Drug abuser it was well publisized that McCall was in a Drug rehab.. the point of the thread is `Why did the Lewis camp go ahead with this Farce`

[sonnyboyx2]

I am sure there are Lennox Lewis fans who are more qualified to answer this than me but I can’t let that comment stand without replying.

Lewis won the title back from McCall not that long before Moorer lost his title to Holyfield.
You have proof or anything like it that Lewis ducked Moorer. I would imagine the opposite is true but as I don’t know that for a fact I won’t speculate.

Re Byrd when was Lewis meant to fight him? Looking at the timeline of Lewis career 1999 was taken up unifying with Holy. 2000 he fought Grant, Botha and Tua all of whom at that time were far more credible challengers than any you have mentioned. 2001 he was losing and winning against Rahman. 2002 cashing in against Tyson and finishes up in 2003 against Vitali. So Byrd 1998 or earlier? When Byrd was in school? When?

Witherspoon, when he was being frozen out or in the middle of his 6 or 7 fight losing streak or when he was mid to late 40’s?

Herbie Hide is second class and couldn’t draw flies you don’t honestly think Lewis wouldn’t destroy him in 2 rounds do you? Why would Lewis consider fighting him?

Bowe has been covered, if you want to fight someone and you are the champion and hold all the cards at the negotiating table you don’t throw the belt in the bin.

Sanders lost to Rahman, so Rahman fought Lewis. Simple as that.

Holmes was what mid 40’s before Lewis even won the title, that is a real win/win fight for Lewis, you might as well throw Ali’s name in.

Wlad? Even the biggest Wlad fan in the world would not give him a credible chance against Lewis in his Brewster/Sanders days so Lewis fought the best Klitschko brother at that time and beat him then retired.

And that’s that really

I am English

Lennox Lewis was WBC champion in 96 Herbie Hide was undefeated WBO champion in 96 Hide called out Lewis almost weekly on British TV but Lewis wanted nothing to do with Hide instead he fought Akinwande, Mavrovich & Butler...

Larry Holmes had just won the WBO title from Ray Mercer and called for a fight with Lewis in 93 Lewis wanted nothing to do with Holmes... you can read this in Holmes book "Against the odds"

Chris Byrd was IBF No1 contender for 2yrs 1999-2001 but Lennox Lewis wanted nothing to do with Byrd so was stripped of the IBF belt.. Lewis was also stripped of the WBA belt and the WBC belt for refusing to fight Ruiz & Klitschko...

i could go on all day about the career of Lennox Lewis and the fighters he avoided but why should i.. its common knowledge everywhere except Britain... Lewis is a British thing, he was no better than Frank Bruno... take away Holyfield & Tyson from Lewis record and `who did he beat?

Tyson was only a shell of the fighter he was 12yrs earlier, Danny Williams and Kevin McBride do not get the same idolization for beating Tyson that Lennox Lewis gets why?

[princemanspoper]

Lewis was never stripped of the WBC belt.He was set a deadline by March 1st of 2004 to confirm a rematch with Klitschko and he retired on February 6th 2004.

Very crafty fella that Lewis guy is,He knew how and when to work the system to his advantage and more power to the man.

And just for the record

Lennox Lewis's reseme>>>>>>>>>>>Larry Holmes reseme


Lennox Lewis is without question the most underrated heavyweight in history.At one time I would have argued Langford but you have people like dunce and all these other Ring ****zine disciple's who have gotten wind of his name and hearing them speak of his legacy has become just cringe worthy

[sonnyboyx2]

Lewis was never stripped of the WBC belt.He was set a deadline by March 1st of 2004 to confirm a rematch with Klitschko and he retired on February 6th 2004.

Very crafty fella that Lewis guy is,He knew how and when to work the system to his advantage and more power to the man.

And just for the record

Lennox Lewis's reseme>>>>>>>>>>>Larry Holmes reseme


Lennox Lewis is without question the most underrated heavyweight in history.At one time I would have argued Langford but you have people like dunce and all these other Ring ****zine disciple's who have gotten wind of his name and hearing them speak of his legacy has become just cringe worthy

the whole boxing world wanted to see Lewis vs Klitschko (2) yet Lewis dragged out his title reign for 9 months knowing he was never going to grant Vitali a rematch and only a couple of weeks before he was to be stripped of his last remaining belt he announced his retirement..

Lewis was stripped of the WBA belt for refusing to fight the No1 contender, he was to be stripped of the IBF belt for refusing to fight the No1 contender..

Who on Lennox Lewis record has he beaten who was at the top of their game? ....There was great fighters abound in the 1990s yet Lewis never fought any of them, Holyfield, Tyson, Witherspoon, Holmes, Moorer, Foreman, Bowe, Hide, Ruiz, Byrd, Wlad Klitschko all held versions of the world title yet Lewis never fought any of them

is Larry Holmes better than Muhammad Ali because he beat Ali ?

Lennox Lewis is claimed by some to be better than both Mike Tyson & Evander Holyfield because he beat those 2 fighters when they was a decade past their best.. if Lewis is better than them then surely Holmes must be better than Muhammad Ali and so to must Trevor Berbick who beat Ali.... also Danny Williams & Kevin McBride must be rated better fighters than Mike Tyson

Lennox Lewis fans have double standards - claiming when their guy got beat he was "under-trained or not-focused" yet when other fighters got beat they was beaten because they was never any good

The Truth is Lennox Lewis was an oppotunist who never fought the top fighters who was at the top of their game, he chose to fight Class C fighters who was on the slide like, Botha, Tua, Grant, Tucker, Akinwande, Briggs, Jackson, Butler, Golota, Morrison, Ruddock, Mavrovich... his only 2 victories over elite opposition was over Tyson & Holyfield who was both a decade past their best

to deny or try to spin the facts is ludicrous

[sonnyboyx2]

Lennox Lewis is without question the most underrated heavyweight in history.

i would argue he is vastly overrated

[Сливк.]

the whole boxing world wanted to see Lewis vs Klitschko (2) yet Lewis dragged out his title reign for 9 months knowing he was never going to grant Vitali a rematch and only a couple of weeks before he was to be stripped of his last remaining belt he announced his retirement..

Lewis was stripped of the WBA belt for refusing to fight the No1 contender, he was to be stripped of the IBF belt for refusing to fight the No1 contender..

Who on Lennox Lewis record has he beaten who was at the top of their game? ....There was great fighters abound in the 1990s yet Lewis never fought any of them, Holyfield, Tyson, Witherspoon, Holmes, Moorer, Foreman, Bowe, Hide, Ruiz, Byrd, Wlad Klitschko all held versions of the world title yet Lewis never fought any of them

is Larry Holmes better than Muhammad Ali because he beat Ali ?

Lennox Lewis is claimed by some to be better than both Mike Tyson & Evander Holyfield because he beat those 2 fighters when they was a decade past their best.. if Lewis is better than them then surely Holmes must be better than Muhammad Ali and so to must Trevor Berbick who beat Ali.... also Danny Williams & Kevin McBride must be rated better fighters than Mike Tyson

Lennox Lewis fans have double standards - claiming when their guy got beat he was "under-trained or not-focused" yet when other fighters got beat they was beaten because they was never any good

The Truth is Lennox Lewis was an oppotunist who never fought the top fighters who was at the top of their game, he chose to fight Class C fighters who was on the slide like, Botha, Tua, Grant, Tucker, Akinwande, Briggs, Jackson, Butler, Golota, Morrison, Ruddock, Mavrovich... his only 2 victories over elite opposition was over Tyson & Holyfield who was both a decade past their best

to deny or try to spin the facts is ludicrous

Lennox Lewis resume is better than Mike Tysons, both the Klitschkos and just as good as Larry Holmes.

Who did Mike Tyson beat that was so great? an old past prime larry holmes who had been out for 2 years, a lightheavyweight michael spinks, trevor berbick.

Larry Holmes beat a bunch of fighters when they where old and past prime, earnie shavers was 34 and lost against bernardo mercado in his very next fight, ken norton was 35 and only fought 5 times more after losing 2 and drawin 1, muhammad ali was 40 years old and shot.

the klitschkos best wins are sultan ibragimov, sam peter, rusland chagaev and lamon brewster.

and now you will use double standards against Lennox Lewis trying to make all these guys resumes seem better. even though they ****in aint.

you are just a hating fool.

[sonnyboyx2]

Lennox Lewis resume is better than Mike Tysons, both the Klitschkos and just as good as Larry Holmes.

Who did Mike Tyson beat that was so great? an old past prime larry holmes who had been out for 2 years, a lightheavyweight michael spinks, trevor berbick.

Larry Holmes beat a bunch of fighters when they where old and past prime, earnie shavers was 34 and lost against bernardo mercado in his very next fight, ken norton was 35 and only fought 5 times more after losing 2 and drawin 1, muhammad ali was 40 years old and shot.

the klitschkos best wins are sultan ibragimov, sam peter, rusland chagaev and lamon brewster.

and now you will use double standards against Lennox Lewis trying to make all these guys resumes seem better. even though they ****in aint.

you are just a hating fool.

Mike Tyson beat Michael Spinks who had just twice beaten Larry Holmes and also beat Gerry Cooney, Tyson also beat a prime Tony Tucker along with former champions Pinklon Thomas, Larry Holmes, Trevor Berbick, Frank Bruno (twice), Bruce Seldon, Tony Tubbs & Bonecrusher Smith, Tyson also KOd Carl Williams & Tyrell Biggs, he Twice hammered Razor Ruddock and destroyed Alex Stewart, Lou Savarese, Henry Tillman and Andrew Golota

please dont try to tell me that the record of Lennox Lewis stacks-up as good as Tyson`s does

it is not a case of hating Lennox Lewis, its a case of looking at his career and truthfully telling it how it really was.... the guy did not fight the prime fighters of the 1990s he chose to fight mediocre class C fighters, his win over Tyson was no better than the victory Danny Williams and Kevin McBride hold over Tyson and the fact has to be taken into account that Mike Tyson was more than a decade past his sell-by-date... also Lewis in the opinion of most reporters at ringside was very fortunate to get the decision over Holyfield and it was a "washed-up" Holyfield.

Do we call Chris Byrd who easily beat Holyfield as a greater world champion than Holyfield?

Chris Byrd, Larry Donald, John Ruiz, Nicolay Valuev all beat Holyfield

Danny Williams & Kevin McBride beat Mike Tyson

Lennox Lewis victories was against the same version of these former great champions that the above fighters fought

[Trenchant]

The only thing I can give McCall credit for in this fight is the fact that even after taking several flush shots, he never was rocked. Other than that he made a complete fool of himself and got beat up. I like McCall but that fact is even if he was fit , it would have been a points loss on him unless he landed a lucky punch. Lennox was really up for this fight. He did his part and McCall didnt. Lennox never in his wildest dreams thought McCall was gonna have a breakdown like that in the ring. Nobody had ever seen anything like that.