McCall vs Lewis (2)

[sonnyboyx2]

i am now finished on this subject because the topic has gone stale

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i am now finished on this subject because the topic has gone stale

Rid**** Bowe rather put his belt in the thrashcan than fight Lewis, Bowe ducked Lewis not the other way around.

Mike Tyson gave Lennox Lewis 3$ million NOT to fight him. Basicly Lewis got the option of getting 3$ million for nothing or fighting Tyson for a few million more, and he choosed the smart option. The very fact that Tyson offered Lewis 3$ million to step aside prooves that Tyson did not want to fight Lewis at that time, why else would he offer Lewis step aside money?

Lennox Lewis was past prime and 37 years old yet he still beat Vitali Klitschko, look at the state of Vitalis face after the fight that was from an old past prime Lewis. He would have been 38 years old and even more past prime if he would have done the rematch with Klitschko(a man he already beat).

There, I have counterd your claims that Lennox Lewis ducked Rid**** Bowe, Mike Tyson and Vitali Klitschko. Now before you leave I want to see your response to this.

[GJC]

i have made claims and i stand by them, if someone does not agree with my claim then they are free to prove me wrong, its no good just saying "i dont believe you mate" and calling me an idiot, if you think i am an idiot the prove me to be an idiot, prove what i say is wrong..

Well you have called your claims proof at times which they are not. Yes you are more than entitled to have your opinion and I do not agree with your opinions.

The bottom line is, "The truth hurts" and you are hurt by my claims, yet you know you cannot prove me wrong because you also know that it is the truth that i have said.

I have not been hurt in the slightest, I'm not a particular fan of Lewis I respect him as a fighter and believe that his resume holds up better than most.

so you are trying to take little `tit-bits` out of what i say and ridiculing me, but you know that The career of Lennox Lewis will now forever be tainted in your mind because i have taken the time to explain it in a correct way that you never seen before, You now know that Lewis was not this mythical fighting machine that you perceived him to once be, but that he was an oppotunist fighter who avoided every fighter who was at the top of their game

I've hardly taken tit bits I've taken whole paragraphs and I haven't ridiculed you I have pointed out the flaws in your claims. You have quite a high opinion of yourself but without being cruel it would take someone a lot more eloquent logical and knowledgeable than yourself to change my mind to the fact that Lewis was a good heavyweight champion.

[Dynamite Kid]

Rid**** Bowe rather put his belt in the thrashcan than fight Lewis, Bowe ducked Lewis not the other way around.

Mike Tyson gave Lennox Lewis 3$ million NOT to fight him. Basicly Lewis got the option of getting 3$ million for nothing or fighting Tyson for a few million more, and he choosed the smart option. The very fact that Tyson offered Lewis 3$ million to step aside prooves that Tyson did not want to fight Lewis at that time, why else would he offer Lewis step aside money?

Lennox Lewis was past prime and 37 years old yet he still beat Vitali Klitschko, look at the state of Vitalis face after the fight that was from an old past prime Lewis. He would have been 38 years old and even more past prime if he would have done the rematch with Klitschko(a man he already beat).

There, I have counterd your claims that Lennox Lewis ducked Rid**** Bowe, Mike Tyson and Vitali Klitschko. Now before you leave I want to see your response to this.

Also here is more proof on Lewis vs Bowe


However, after Bowe outpointed Holyfield, it quickly became clear that Bowe's manager, Rock Newman, had no more intention of having his fighter meet Lewis right away than he had of dancing with a chain saw. Newman tossed a low-ball offer at Lewis, which Lewis rejected; then, looking for big money and easy pickings. Newman and Bowe signed a six-fight contract with Time Warner Sports, whose president, Seth Abraham, had been pushing Lewis as the greatest heavyweight in the world—"Lennox Lewis is the real deal," Abraham said last fall—right up to the Bowe-Holyfield fight, after which he began hyping Bowe. "Rid**** Bowe could make as much as $100 million if he wins all six fights," Abraham said.

The dead-meat parade begins at Madison Square Garden on Feb. 6, when Bowe steps into the ring against 34-year-old Michael Dokes. a 250-pound spent bullet whose battle against ******* addiction has been quite as spectacular as any he has waged in the ring. Once he has dispatched Dokes, Bowe will entertain Ray Mercer in Atlantic City in May in another waste of time. After Mercer he may take on George Foreman and even Larry Holmes, boxing's senior citizens.

On Dec. 14 Bowe relinquished the World Boxing Council's version of the heavyweight title by dumping the WBC belt in the trash. It was an unnecessary bit of showmanship; the WBC was going to strip him anyway for ducking Lewis. No longer the undisputed champ, Bowe now holds the World Boxing Association and International Boxing Federation belts. The WBC conferred its title on Lewis.

[GJC]

4th time:

1) At the time you bought your ticket for the Lewis Ruddock fight did you think that Ruddock was shot and had no chance?

2) Would you say it is a silly comment to say that these fighters with unbeaten records were on the slide when Lewis fought them? I'm not asking you your opinion on them as fighters just the on the slide part.

[Dynamite Kid]

To counter your silly claim about Lewis leaving Canada because of Berbick

The following February, Maloney was sitting in the London office out of which he was promoting fights—"I was just breaking into big-time boxing," he says—when a British sports photographer, Lawrence Lustig, called him from Las Vegas. "How would you like to manage the first British fighter in this century to win the heavyweight championship of the world?" asked Lustig, who was in Vegas to cover the Tyson-Bruno fight. Maloney laughed and said, "What are you talking about?" Lustig told him that the young super heavy who had just won the Olympics was in Vegas looking for a manager. "He's a Canadian!" said Maloney.

"He was born and raised in east London," Lustig replied. "He's British. Do you realize what it would mean?"

Maloney, who was born in rough-and-tumble southeast London, a ****ney by birth and a former amateur flyweight by choice, knew precisely what it would mean. "It would be like having your own bank," he says. Which would be quite a change for Maloney, who once worked as a groom at Epsom, looking to be a jockey.

Looking for money to sign Lewis, Maloney acquired backing from a group of investors who worked for British financier Roger Levitt, and made Lewis an offer. By then, Lewis had decided to fight out of his birthplace. "I saw it as a good place to start," Lewis says. "I didn't see it as an economic thing."

Even Boehm urged him to leave Canada. "The people that wanted him to stay were doing nothing for him, only for themselves," Boehm says. On April 24, 1989, Lewis signed with Maloney.

"I knew I was going to get used in boxing," Lewis says. "I just didn't want to get used too much. I wanted to control my destiny. I couldn't sec being thrown in the ring before I was ready. Frank allowed me more freedom, more say."
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[GJC]

To counter your silly claim about Lewis leaving Canada because of Berbick

Didn't he run from Canada because he was ducking Tommy Burns? Or maybe Hurricane Herbie Hide was in Toronto at the time?

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Also here is more proof on Lewis vs Bowe


However, after Bowe outpointed Holyfield, it quickly became clear that Bowe's manager, Rock Newman, had no more intention of having his fighter meet Lewis right away than he had of dancing with a chain saw. Newman tossed a low-ball offer at Lewis, which Lewis rejected; then, looking for big money and easy pickings. Newman and Bowe signed a six-fight contract with Time Warner Sports, whose president, Seth Abraham, had been pushing Lewis as the greatest heavyweight in the world—"Lennox Lewis is the real deal," Abraham said last fall—right up to the Bowe-Holyfield fight, after which he began hyping Bowe. "Rid**** Bowe could make as much as $100 million if he wins all six fights," Abraham said.

The dead-meat parade begins at Madison Square Garden on Feb. 6, when Bowe steps into the ring against 34-year-old Michael Dokes. a 250-pound spent bullet whose battle against ******* addiction has been quite as spectacular as any he has waged in the ring. Once he has dispatched Dokes, Bowe will entertain Ray Mercer in Atlantic City in May in another waste of time. After Mercer he may take on George Foreman and even Larry Holmes, boxing's senior citizens.

On Dec. 14 Bowe relinquished the World Boxing Council's version of the heavyweight title by dumping the WBC belt in the trash. It was an unnecessary bit of showmanship; the WBC was going to strip him anyway for ducking Lewis. No longer the undisputed champ, Bowe now holds the World Boxing Association and International Boxing Federation belts. The WBC conferred its title on Lewis.

yep good post. I think its pretty obvious Rid**** Bowe ducked Lennox Lewis, I mean that if anything is a fact. yet this sonnyboy guy is trying to tell us otherwise. I mean Bowe dumped his title in a bin rather than face Lewis, it was a blatant duck. And the Tyson thing aswell is pretty obvious, Tyson offered 3$ million for Lewis to step aside which Lewis accepeted yet he says Lewis was the one ducking Tyson? I mean thats ridiclous.

I get a feeling now though that sonnyboyx2 will be the one ducking these posts. and then 1 page later say we havent done anything to proove his "facts" wrong

[Dynamite Kid]

Didn't he run from Canada because he was ducking Tommy Burns? Or maybe Hurricane Herbie Hide was in Toronto at the time?

Ha Ha.


Yeah id say it must of been something to do with Hurricane Herbie Hide who had stars round his head after VK hit him with a jab.

[Kid McCoy]

yes i was there to cheer on Lennox Lewis and it was a great evening, electrifying in Earls Court, `Ruddock had a huge motor home parked outside` but watching Ruddock`s body language coming to the ring sent out distress signals, he was never in the fight and admitted so in several interviews at ringside afterwards, i also was at the Lewis vs Bruno fight in Cardiff where i and most of the crowd thought Lewis was a very fortunate winner, i was then at ringside at Wembley Arena in 94 when McCall poleaxed Lewis, i knew that night that Lewis was `nothing special` he had to be helped down the ring-steps by his handlers and as he came by me i could see that his eyes was still Glass and this was some 5 minutes after being `wacked by McCall.. from that night onwards Lewis avoided every fighter who was at the top of their game, he only ever fought mediocre opponents or fighters who was on the slide, he never fought Hide, Moorer, Ruiz, Byrd, Jones jr, Sanders, Foreman, Holmes, Witherspoon, Holyfield, Tyson 96 because they was too dangerous, he only fought the class C fighters Botha, Grant, Mavrovic, Akinwande, Butler, Fortune, Briggs, Morrison

You are, I have discovered, a fantasist who simply makes things up out of thin air. Now Lewis ducked Roy Jones too? How about Hopkins or Calzaghe or Ricardo Lopez? For all his bluster, there was never much likelihood of Jones fighting Lewis or Tyson, certainly when his stated $100m purse for those fights never materialised. That Jones didn't make a single defence of his heavyweight title should tell you all you need to know.

It's already been pointed out to you several times that Bowe, Moorer and Tyson wouldn't fight Lewis. Bowe vacated his belt to avoid facing Lewis and fought two journeymen. Tyson also vacated his belt to avoid Lewis and then paid Lewis not to face him. Moorer ignored him and opted instead to fight an inactive 45-year-old. Foreman was another who showed no interest in facing Lewis.

However you spin it, Grant was unbeaten and being hyped as the next big American and that was the fight to be made, not Lewis vs Ruiz. Isn't that what boxing fans want, the best making the big fights? The real scandal is not Lewis vacating his belt rather than face Ruiz, but how Ruiz made the #1 contender spot in the first place, given that he'd beaten no one to warrant it and his only noteworthy fight had been his 30 second blowout against Tua.

Had Holyfield beaten Bowe in their first fight I imagine he would have faced Lewis next. No way would Evander disgrace himself by binning his belt the way Bowe did. He and Lewis then had an agreement to meet after Holyfield's defence against Moorer. As it was, he lost to Moorer and then retired for a year with that mysterious heart ailment which killed the fight again. Then, perceived as shot, Holyfield took the Tyson fight and won, then took the Moorer rematch, and then it was Lewis. Looking at the timelines, Lewis and Holyfield could only realistically have met when they actually did.

Okay Chris Byrd. Lewis was 36 and one fight from retirement by then so he vacated his belt for a few million. What an outrage. The rest seem like random names you've just plucked out of thin air: Herbie Hide, Tim Witherspoon, Larry Holmes...what reason would he have to fight them? If Lewis had fought them I guarantee you'd now be writing Hide off as a glass-jawed cruiser and the other two as washed-up 40-somethings.