Yeah how should he know that 80 years later that boxing fans on the internet were going to judge him on how he looked? Why try his best when a new device was around that he wanted to play around on? Silly him.
There actually was footage of Tunney-Greb 1 apparently, but it got burned down in the library of congress or something.
1814 and 1851 -- doubt the library burned down since 1922.
Several other fires have destroyed State archives, one as late as 1973.
But it's hard to believe that the Tunney-Greb fight was ever housed in a public archive. Just doesn't seem important enought.
A poster he who prefixes his UN with Dr once claimed on the Classic Forum that he had a friend who had seen real actual fight footage of Greb.Steve Compton publicly called him a liar,and when" Dr "responded with you dont know what's out there or what I've seen said.Just give me the serial id number of the film.Compton has a vast film collection and is the author of a biography on Greb.The Dr made no more claims about surviving fight footage of Greb.
Several posters here can verify this.
A poster he who prefixes his UN with Dr once claimed on the Classic Forum that he had a friend who had seen real actual fight footage of Greb.Steve Compton publicly called him a liar,and when" Dr "responded with you dont know what's out there or what I've seen said.Just give me the serial id number of the film.Compton has a vast film collection and is the author of a biography on Greb.The Dr made no more claims about surviving fight footage of Greb.
Several posters here can verify this.
Some short time ago a post of an interview with Jim Jacobs (fight film collector and the Michael Jordan of handball,) appeared on BS. He (Jacobs) claimed he once saw an application for for a copyright on the first Tunney-Greb fight. The application had two frames of film attached to it. He left convinced it was legit. It became his holy grail and he went to his grave unfulfilled.
Some short time ago a post of an interview with Jim Jacobs (fight film collector and the Michael Jordan of handball,) appeared on BS. He (Jacobs) claimed he once saw an application for for a copyright on the first Tunney-Greb fight. The application had two frames of film attached to it. He left convinced it was legit. It became his holy grail and he went to his grave unfulfilled.
Interesting.Compton said the highly inflammable film stock of the time sealed the fate of much of the early footage.
Jacobs& Cayton amassed a huge library by simply filing ownership on much of it.They also contacted old fighters offering to buy their old fight footage from them,They are represented today as saviours of fight films Jacobs more so than Cayton, who has always been seen as something of a cold fish,but in actual fact they had no rights to the vast majority of the films they laid claim to,and subsequently removed from the public domain.
Interesting.Compton said the highly inflammable film stock of the time sealed the fate of much of the early footage.
Jacobs& Cayton amassed a huge library by simply filing ownership on much of it.They also contacted old fighters offering to buy their old fight footage from them,They are represented today as saviours of fight films Jacobs more so than Cayton, who has always been seen as something of a cold fish,but in actual fact they had no rights to the vast majority of the films they laid claim to,and subsequently removed from the public domain.
Always a mixed bag... People are driven by the Thomas Hobbes Polarity of Human nature... On one side has the pizza, beer and dancing girls, the other the right things to be done. People may intend to be on the right side and preserve materials, but alas there is great financial incentive that becomes a goal in itself. They did this to pulp heroes like The Shadow. One used to be able to pull up Shadow episodes off the web libraries, there were vibrant websites, etc... I once even wrote a mystery tale for one of the last such sites... But then Conde Nash, the publisher seeing the interest, made everyone take everything down. They put out a nice series of the pulps redone, but it was never really accessible. To this day it remains hard to find them... and they are not cheap! For want of a few bucks, which I have a feeling never really materialized for them (they did Doc Savage as well).
Libraries are a monumental resource. Fighting tape is an incredible resource that we are lucky to have given that it came out at a time when a lot of great fighters could be captured on it.
I actually feel this way about text books. In this new age of woke learning, where nonsense is taught... textbooks are an incredible resource: They are well written, well organized, and progressive in a manner where a lot of different levels of comprehension can benefit from them. I really hope one day to collect them and organize a giant library of them to let people borrow on line. Text books and attractive female teachers saved my life lol. I was heading towards reform school at a pace almost as quick as Wilder's Right hand!
- - Not so sure you could find much of ancient and older publications in modern public libraries unless they had the funds to scan them into a database.
I've got crumbling family bibles that may date to early 1800s, and a Benjamin Franklin autobio that was never published until well after his death because of his scattered papers all over France, England, and the US. I'm guessing my version was published in 1817 by grandson William Templeton Franklin that predates Library of Congress numbering systems.
At any rate, I have the proverbial ton of epic library books, the last read being William Manchester's Monumental JFK autobio authorized by his family post assassination, the best, most definitive JFK bio that can be had. Only thing near it is the Warren Commission Report that goes into more background of Ruby and Marina/Lee Harvey.
The most mournful publication I've ever read and scarcely touched by library patrons as most of these big books have been.
- - Not so sure you could find much of ancient and older publications in modern public libraries unless they had the funds to scan them into a database.
I've got crumbling family bibles that may date to early 1800s, and a Benjamin Franklin autobio that was never published until well after his death because of his scattered papers all over France, England, and the US. I'm guessing my version was published in 1817 by grandson William Templeton Franklin that predates Library of Congress numbering systems.
At any rate, I have the proverbial ton of epic library books, the last read being William Manchester's Monumental JFK autobio authorized by his family post assassination, the best, most definitive JFK bio that can be had. Only thing near it is the Warren Commission Report that goes into more background of Ruby and Marina/Lee Harvey.
The most mournful publication I've ever read and scarcely touched by library patrons as most of these big books have been.
Private libraries. The tradition of public libraries may not have certain types of texts but can get people heading in the correct direction. My public library branch on 96st was a small branch of the New York City Public Library system, but to me as a kid it seemed immense, endless... I am afraid to look at it as an adult it would burst my bubble.
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