George Foreman would've beaten any Heavyweight in history in a trilogy.(vid)

[Stormin' Norman]

I believe foreman, at his prime here, was better than anyone. Most people will say that Ali was the greatest, but I believe foreman would have beat ali at least 3/4 times at this time. The rumble in the jungle was a bad fight to test who was better. My opinion? I believe Foreman was better than ali at this time.

[them_apples]

I believe foreman, at his prime here, was better than anyone. Most people will say that Ali was the greatest, but I believe foreman would have beat ali at least 3/4 times at this time. The rumble in the jungle was a bad fight to test who was better. My opinion? I believe Foreman was better than ali at this time.

he had the tools to beat Ali, but he decided to flail widely and gas himself out.
He was sort of like Tyson, winning got to his head and made him lose all his skills (even if he had few to begin with).

[butterfly1964]

he had the tools to beat Ali, but he decided to flail widely and gas himself out.
He was sort of like Tyson, winning got to his head and made him lose all his skills (even if he had few to begin with).

He didn't have the tools to beat Ali. He was the quintessential slugger, and Ali ate those for breakfast.

[black.ink]

Foreman was not the smartest fighter out there, so there wasn't going to be much of a style change to influence a different outcome. The Ali he fought was not a prime Ali, but he fought the best fight to beat him at the time. I don't think Ali could have beaten him any other way, although the stick and move earlyyears Ali could have possibly decisioned him.

I'd say Ali would beat him 4 out of 5 times.

[BKM-]

See, this is what I've hated the most out of any other fighter. Foreman just gets a free pass to beat everybody based on an argument that applies to NO ONE ELSE in Heavyweight history except him. Foreman is the only one that people will say: He will just walk trough him. Even though there are some big problems that people tend to ignore.

1-Foreman didn't even have any kind of defense on OPPOSITE DAY.

2-It's all based on him destroying Frazier and Norton. Forgetting that Frazier was rusty and couldn't have walked into a bigger styles mismatch. Same with Ken Norton, he could never deal with a very strong puncher with a lot of strength. These were gifts from heaven for Foreman and created this image of a Monster from another planet that nobody could ever slug with, and would walk trough even the best boxers with ease.

3-They think the Ali fight was just a fluke, that Foreman was the one just pounding on a lifeless Ali for every second of the fight, and that Ali's brilliant combo at the end wasn't the reason for George getting knocked out, it was exhaustion LOL. If they review the fight more they can actually see it was all due to Ali's brilliance. Counter punching, snapping jabs, difficult movements, brilliant tactics with the rope-a-dope. These contributed to wearing Foreman down, and it was the after effects of brilliant boxing that took Foreman out, not just exhaustion at his own hands!

4-They think the Ron Lyle and Jimmy Young fights were also just flukes, even though these are the biggest pieces of evidences that disprove the Prime Foreman myth. Ron Lyle actually showed the whole world that Foreman could be outslugged. He battered him, showed all of Foreman's weaknesses even in a slugfest, and the fight could have gone either way many times. Jimmy Young embarassed Foreman almost worse than Ali. No one exposed him quite like Young did. Watch that fight if you want to see Monster mega prime Foreman getting boxed his ears off without being able to 'walk trough' Young.


There are even more excuses. But these points imo disprove the notion that Foreman was unbeatable and that all of his flaws and losses early in his career were just flukes. I'm still trying to figure out why George gets a free pass every time and barely anyone says anything about it. Are people enjoying his grills that much? I bought one myself, and it's alright. Not THAT swell.

[kayjay]

I'm with Yaman. Plenty of guys could slug with George.

Against big HWs of recent decades he'd have all sorts of troubles. Holmes, Lewis, Wlad, and even Holyfield would have very good chances against him.

[TheGreatA]

I'm with Yaman. Plenty of guys could slug with George.

Against big HWs of recent decades he'd have all sorts of troubles. Holmes, Lewis, Wlad, and even Holyfield would have very good chances against him.

They could slug with him but I would always favour Foreman in a slugfest.

His fans do forget that Foreman could be outboxed, as a young man he wasn't too smart, as an old man he was too slow.

IMO Lyle lost the fight because he went away from his gameplan and started trading with Foreman too much. He was doing well countering off the ropes, like Ali and Young did.

[QueensburyRules]

See, this is what I've hated the most out of any other fighter. Foreman just gets a free pass to beat everybody based on an argument that applies to NO ONE ELSE in Heavyweight history except him. Foreman is the only one that people will say: He will just walk trough him. Even though there are some big problems that people tend to ignore.

1-Foreman didn't even have any kind of defense on OPPOSITE DAY.

2-It's all based on him destroying Frazier and Norton. Forgetting that Frazier was rusty and couldn't have walked into a bigger styles mismatch. Same with Ken Norton, he could never deal with a very strong puncher with a lot of strength. These were gifts from heaven for Foreman and created this image of a Monster from another planet that nobody could ever slug with, and would walk trough even the best boxers with ease.

3-They think the Ali fight was just a fluke, that Foreman was the one just pounding on a lifeless Ali for every second of the fight, and that Ali's brilliant combo at the end wasn't the reason for George getting knocked out, it was exhaustion LOL. If they review the fight more they can actually see it was all due to Ali's brilliance. Counter punching, snapping jabs, difficult movements, brilliant tactics with the rope-a-dope. These contributed to wearing Foreman down, and it was the after effects of brilliant boxing that took Foreman out, not just exhaustion at his own hands!

4-They think the Ron Lyle and Jimmy Young fights were also just flukes, even though these are the biggest pieces of evidences that disprove the Prime Foreman myth. Ron Lyle actually showed the whole world that Foreman could be outslugged. He battered him, showed all of Foreman's weaknesses even in a slugfest, and the fight could have gone either way many times. Jimmy Young embarassed Foreman almost worse than Ali. No one exposed him quite like Young did. Watch that fight if you want to see Monster mega prime Foreman getting boxed his ears off without being able to 'walk trough' Young.


There are even more excuses. But these points imo disprove the notion that Foreman was unbeatable and that all of his flaws and losses early in his career were just flukes. I'm still trying to figure out why George gets a free pass every time and barely anyone says anything about it. Are people enjoying his grills that much? I bought one myself, and it's alright. Not THAT swell.

- -Breaking U down-

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3 Nothing brilliant by Ali save his strategic combination in the 9th. George was up at 10, but Ali went down some 30sec and had to be helped to his corner. There was no celebration by him, none and his ring performance thereafter was horrid and he couldn't dent a soap bubble that led to all his horrible health woes. See the Cheuck Wepner fight after this one.
4 U don't think because U don't know.

[HOUDINI563]

Prime Foreman was a human force of nature in the ring. Not only incredibly strong physically he was the hardest puncher I’ve ever witnessed. Cannot imagine a stronger puncher. But their is more. He also had tremendous drive and will to win, good hand speed, excellent ability to cut the ring and an iron chin.

However, his nemesis, like most every puncher, was a great boxer. This is proven by his losses against the best boxers he fought. His stamina in the ring was generally not the best because he was such a quick starter.

So no, George WOULD NOT best all others in a trilogy. Fighters such as Holmes, Ali, Tunney, Louis would always beat Foreman.

George would beat most everyone else however.

[QueensburyRules]

Prime Foreman was a human force of nature in the ring. Not only incredibly strong physically he was the hardest puncher I’ve ever witnessed. Cannot imagine a stronger puncher. But their is more. He also had tremendous drive and will to win, good hand speed, excellent ability to cut the ring and an iron chin.

However, his nemesis, like most every puncher, was a great boxer. This is proven by his losses against the best boxers he fought. His stamina in the ring was generally not the best because he was such a quick starter.

So no, George WOULD NOT best all others in a trilogy. Fighters such as Holmes, Ali, Tunney, Louis would always beat Foreman.

George would beat most everyone else however.

- -Lar the same age as George was never in the Fearsome Four of the 70s and never a ranked fighter while George was active.

They were signed to fight ca mid 70s, but Lar pulled a buttocks muscle or had a sore pinky toe and couldn't make the date, so George fought another mop up. I could go further, but that's the way it was for them then.

Novice hopeful George KOed the guys who first exposed Ali in Wepner and Chuvalo, and BTFO the guys who whooped Ali, Frazier and Norton. Had no problems going the distance with Peralta who was a guy who would've give Ali fits and did give Lyle fits. George knocked him out in the 10th round in the rematch.

So, them the facts Jackson, and the notion that Foreman stamina has roots in Sadler's promotion of him as a raging monster where he was dehydrated the day of the fight, ie the weigh in making him into a raging KO beast. George showed he could box in spite of being slower in his comeback, and Michael Moorer as a southpaw would've likely beat half your lineup and given the rest hell.

Talk about the weakness of Ali to the left hook, and Angie saved Ali twice from quitting fights vs Liston and Frazier. So while the OP proposes a preposterous speculation, all you is pile on to that nonsense. Noone wanted to fight a trilogy with George...NOONE!!!

They wanted trilogies with Ali, ie easy $$$