In his prime Mike Tyson could have knocked out Joe Frazier

[Boogie Nights]

I dont understand why a lot of people compare mike to joe, they are 2 totally different fighters. i dont hate on frazier, in fact he's one of my favourite fighters but i dont see him getting past mike

frazier's only best weapon was the left hook, no jab, good right, but nothing flashy or special. Amazing conditioning, TOPS

Mike was a great puncher, much better hitter than joe. he showed his power against bigger men.
Mike is not given credit for his jab, when in fact he used to set up a lot of stuff with his jab, and outjabbed a 6'5 Tony Tucker who was a great boxer with a lot more reach

tyson could go to the body just as good as frazier did, and while mike's stamina might not have been equal to joes', he didnt tire early and was always on the attack

also while some may point out that their defense was similar, i disagree completely. Mike used to bob and weave side to side, while joe was all over the place, and moving his head forward, in other words open to uppercuts

aside from foreman joe havent been in there with harder punchers. Oscar Bonavena was a pretty good and awkward puncher, but no where close to what foreman or tyson were. and oscar dropped frazier twice in their first fight. Bob foster was a great left hooker, but while he may have been taller and longer, he was a smaller man, and the fight ended after 2 rounds.

i see tysona catching joe at any point with an uppecut or any other hard punch, and i see joe getting in trouble. And tyson was a great finisher.

the only thing that might make a difference in this fight is Joe's will and determination

Agree or Disagree?

[sleazyfellow]

I dont know whod disagree with you on this, frazier was tough though and would get up everytime like he did with foreman. It'd be early stoppage.

[Joel Awesome]

I agree. Mike was a brutal puncher and Frazier struggled against punchers (Foreman). I'll go as far as to say Frazier had a better left hook.
Mike Tyson TKO 11.

[Jim Jeffries]

Tyson faced two close to prime fighters that were on Frazier's level, Holyfield and Lewis. He was stopped in his peak prime by a journeyman, Buster Douglas, that couldn't have carried Frazier's jockstrap. Frazier wouldn't have been afraid of Mike and Douglas and Holyfield proved that Mike wasn't worth a damn against anyone that stood up to him. Frazier by late TKO or UD.

[marciano1952]

Tyson IMO should be Compared more To Dempsey than any other fighter

as for the fight its a toss up IMO

[Boogie Nights]

Tyson faced two close to prime fighters that were on Frazier's level, Holyfield and Lewis. He was stopped in his peak prime by a journeyman, Buster Douglas, that couldn't have carried Frazier's jockstrap. Frazier wouldn't have been afraid of Mike and Douglas and Holyfield proved that Mike wasn't worth a damn against anyone that stood up to him. Frazier by late TKO or UD.

all of those fighters you speak of were bigger than frazier, and had completely different styles. and mike was nowhere near his prime when he fought them

and buster douglas was no journeyman, that's a common mistake made by people who only saw buster in the tyson and holyfield fights. in truth douglas was a very talented heavyweight who was very lazy. on his best day his jab was as good as holmes or listons. ive seen other fights with buster where he dropped opponents with jabs

douglas who fought tyson that night would have presented a lot of danger to other great heavyweight fighters. he was no where the slob everyone claims him to be. the tyson that lost to douglas didnt loose to a bum or a journeyman, remember that.

[them_apples]

Jim Jefferies is clearly a Tyson hater^

Lennox lewis was 6'5 248 lbs....that's bigger than foreman, Tyson was washed up...even Lewis said Tyson was washed up.

Tyson may have lost to Foreman but he would have busted up Frazier no doubt.

Tyson KO Frazier in 1-3 rounds.

A point I should make about Tyson's defense..
Tyson would wait for an opponent to punch, weave and hit them at the same time..causing them to run into his punch, thus having more effect. Frazier would try and move a lot to make him harder to hit. There is a difference.

I should also Make the point that Tyson was much more agile on his feet and could hit harder with both hands.

[Boogie Nights]

Jim Jefferies is clearly a Tyson hater^

Lennox lewis was 6'5 248 lbs....that's bigger than foreman, Tyson was washed up...even Lewis said Tyson was washed up.

Tyson may have lost to Foreman but he would have busted up Frazier no doubt.

Tyson KO Frazier in 1-3 rounds.

A point I should make about Tyson's defense..
Tyson would wait for an opponent to punch, weave and hit them at the same time..causing them to run into his punch, thus having more effect. Frazier would try and move a lot to make him harder to hit. There is a difference.

I should also Make the point that Tyson was much more agile on his feet and could hit harder with both hands.

Yes, good observation. Kinda like he threw a jab and momentairly weave his upper body and head to the left side avoiding a counter punch.

[wpink1]

Tough call. It is my opinion that Tyson defense, speed, power and tenacity either stops frazier early, or hurts him and has the fight his way for the 1st 4-5 rounds. Then if frazier survives, he will start making a chopping block of Tyson.

However if Ali had Frazeir in trouble, you can best believe the power the speed the tenacity that Tyson is going to bring to table would cause Frazier major problems.

[Thread Stealer]

Tyson has some advantages over Frazier, while Frazier has some over Tyson.

Frazier didn't seem to get as frustrated and impatient as Tyson did. He was more consistent with his head movement, even in long grueling fights fought at a fast pace, like the first and third Ali fights. Frazier's stamina was better, and that's not a knock on Tyson.

Tyson had quicker hands, better jab, better combos, better variety of punches, hit harder, etc..

I don't like the style matchup for Frazier. While Frazier was not weak-chinned, he showed some real vulnerability in the opening rounds by being dropped twice by Bonavena, rocked in round 2 by Ali, and splattered by Foreman. Furthermore, the punches Tyson were most vulnerable to were not Frazier specialties. The best punches against Tyson were the uppercut and jab (from taller guys with long reaches).

If Frazier makes it out of the first few rounds and makes it a war of attrition, then I can see him winning. He doesn't get as frustrated and impatient and has better stamina. But that's a big if.

I think Tyson catches Frazier with the uppercut and other shots, early and often, and wins via TKO.