Roberto Duran

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What Duran did was much worse. If he just called Ray names, then ok, but he crossed over to people that had nothing to do with the fight. That was wrong.

1) That's a line you personally draw


2) you are saying that Ali calling Frazier uncle tom (with Frazier helping him out and all, btw), or his treatment of Patterson was not crossing over to other people that had nothing to do with the fight. That's simply bull****. You donte need to give names and addresses of someone to talk about them

I think you are making yourself sound ridiculous, but if you want to keep going, that's fine with me.

[The Noose]

What a classless bastard! Maybe that's how it was in Panama or something, but common friggin' decency is universal. And then he started making lude jestures at Leonard and Wilfredo Benitez, who was ringside, acting like he destroyed Leonard or something.........

.... And then carrying on after the fight like he was the baddest man in the world was just comical.

Like many have said. Ali insulted a number of his opponents. Classless? Many would say so.

U wana talk about comical, Ali first telling Liston to get up because he knew that punch wasnt a KO punch, then running and jumping around the ring "acting like he destroyed Liston or somthing".

So after a fight, jumping up and down is worse than cursing at the opponent and pointing to your crotch at the crowd on national tevevision?

I didnt say it was worse. See above. "peeleft:

Ive never knew u were such a sensitive guy Butterfly. Duran was just full of machismo after beating pretty boy media darling Olympic gold medalist nice guy Leonard.

[butterfly1964]

Like many have said. Ali insulted a number of his opponents. Classless? Many would say so.

U wana talk about comical, Ali first telling Liston to get up because he knew that punch wasnt a KO punch, then running and jumping around the ring "acting like he destroyed Liston or somthing".



I didnt say it was worse. See above. "peeleft:

Ive never knew u were such a sensitive guy Butterfly. Duran was just full of machismo after beating pretty boy media darling Olympic gold medalist nice guy Leonard.

Liston was prone on the ground. That's closer to getting destroyed then finishing a fight on your feet and giving a good performance like Leonard did.

[butterfly1964]

1) That's a line you personally draw


2) you are saying that Ali calling Frazier uncle tom (with Frazier helping him out and all, btw), or his treatment of Patterson was not crossing over to other people that had nothing to do with the fight. That's simply bull****. You donte need to give names and addresses of someone to talk about them

I think you are making yourself sound ridiculous, but if you want to keep going, that's fine with me.

I'm not saying what Ali did wasn't wrong, but it certainly doesn't cross the line like what Duran was doing. Patterson brought the bad treatment on himself. You know that, and I know that.

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I'm not saying what Ali did wasn't wrong, but it certainly doesn't cross the line like what Duran was doing. Patterson brought the bad treatment on himself. You know that, and I know that.

Again, the line YOU draw.

[StarshipTrooper]

I'm not saying what Ali did wasn't wrong, but it certainly doesn't cross the line like what Duran was doing. Patterson brought the bad treatment on himself. You know that, and I know that.

Woa. Got to stop you there. Patterson brought the treatment on himself? For calling him Cassius Clay? Hell, Ali's own parents called him that to the day they died. They NEVER acknowledged his name change. Nor did they have any use for the Nation Of Islam. There is one fool on here that keeps talking about how Earnie Terrell almost kicked Ali's ass. No. Ali CARRIED Terrell. Why? Because he wanted to punish him, which he did brutally, and with every punch that landed he taunted Terrell with "What's my name? What's my name?". That was as uncalled for as what Patterson got.

Poet

[kayjay]

Gotta agree with that, calling Clay by his name is not crossing any 'lines' except imaginary ones drawn by extremists.

[bengidaro]

Duran will never be as big a name as Leonard and it's bull****. Leonard rose to fame because he was an American Olympian, a pretty boy and a name. People just don't know fellas. Don't try to change their minds either let them live their lives thinking that Leonard was better than Roberto Duran. As long as you know. Who cares?

[The Noose]

Liston was prone on the ground. That's closer to getting destroyed then finishing a fight on your feet and giving a good performance like Leonard did.

Duran beat the champion Leonard fairly over 15 rounds.
Liston went down with a nothing punch, Ali himself knew it, but then proceeded to jump around.

Duran actually won.

Ali only won because of the ref not being able to control a hyper Ali.

[butterfly1964]

Duran beat the champion Leonard fairly over 15 rounds.
Liston went down with a nothing punch, Ali himself knew it, but then proceeded to jump around.

Duran actually won.

Ali only won because of the ref not being able to control a hyper Ali.

Still Ali never mad ethe lude gestures Duran did.