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Who could beat a prime George Foreman?
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Originally posted by SABBATH View PostWhat makes you think that Baer would be confident after getting hit by a big powerful heavy puncher like Foreman when he mentally folded before he was even ****in' hit against Louis?
Kid, you can't keep filling in the blanks with romatic idalistic versions of older fighters just because you like that particular era.
A year after losing to Louis, Baer was beaten by Art Oliver who was making his pro debut, yet you're using the Lyle fight as a reference point to how Baer might succeed against Foreman? You do recall Foreman getting up from a face-first KD (not too many heavyweights are gonna get up from that type of KD) to 10 count Lyle? When did Baer EVER ONCE in his 84 fight career display that type of heart or ability to come back from the brink of defeat? I'll answer that for you. NEVER.
Baer's best names on his win resume are Carnera, Schmeling and Galento.
The rest of Baer's bigger name opponents like Jim Braddock, Ernie Schaff, Tommy Loughran, Johnny Risko, Paolino Uzcudun, King Levinsky, all went the distance with Baer and with the exception of Levinsky all of them defeated "The Clown Prince". Only Schaff weighed over 200 lbs.
Which Baer are we talking about standing up to and KO'ing Foreman? The one that was never seen or the one that consistantly lost to fighters not even close to Foreman?
You do know Baer KILLED a man with his punches. While I would maby favor Foreman, Baer DOES have a chance.
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Originally posted by K-DOGG View PostI'll be the first to admit that that situation surrounding Holyfields first reign were less than ideal. He did do what he had to do. I'm not saying Holyfield isn't great....he is; but I feel his losses in his prime to Bowe and Moorer hurt him immensely. Those were the fist two real top 10 opponents he defended against....and he lost.
Yes, the comeback was impressive as hell, beating Tyson was very impressive, even if that Tyson was overrated and that Holyfield was underrated, as he was believed shot; but that's just not enough for me to move him into the Top Ten when there are so many other fighters who did better than he. Holy is just outside of my personal Top Ten, near Charles, Frazier, Jeffries, and Walcott.
When will Holyfield get his credit??????????? You do recall Holyfield also BEAT Bowe and Moorer right? Holyfield should be around 6 or 7 on any top ten.
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Originally posted by K-DOGG View PostI'll be the first to admit that that situation surrounding Holyfields first reign were less than ideal. He did do what he had to do. I'm not saying Holyfield isn't great....he is; but I feel his losses in his prime to Bowe and Moorer hurt him immensely. Those were the fist two real top 10 opponents he defended against....and he lost.
Yes, the comeback was impressive as hell, beating Tyson was very impressive, even if that Tyson was overrated and that Holyfield was underrated, as he was believed shot; but that's just not enough for me to move him into the Top Ten when there are so many other fighters who did better than he. Holy is just outside of my personal Top Ten, near Charles, Frazier, Jeffries, and Walcott.
See when i watch fighters, i look at everything. When you watch some of ur favourite fighters, you will notice weaknesses but you wont really talk about it on forums. Gene Tunney doesnt belong in top 10, why is he in ur list? Cuz you were impressed with what he did at 175 and how he beat a middleweight 3 times, lol.
To me this is how it goes:
Tyson did enough to make top 10
Lennox did enough to make top 10
Holyfield did enough to make top 10
Bowe on the other hand is an underachiever, Dempsey drew the colour line which prevented the real challengers from getting title shots. Jack johnson was too busy getting dropped by a middleweight.
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Originally posted by Mike Tyson77 View PostYou do know Baer KILLED a man with his punches.
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Wow, I just had to read this whole thread from page 1 again since I've been busy with finals to study for.
I learned so much in this thread. Foreman seems so much less "invincible" than I had him in my mind.
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Originally posted by Yogi View PostAnd yet, I'm betting that in your updated and current mindset, Foreman's still much more "invincible" than he is in my own.
Guys who are strong, fast, or both always tend to seem invincible...
Thats why you see people always saying Foreman, Ali, or Tyson will win against anyone....
Life's troublesome...Though Foreman, Tyson, as well as many will always have "a punchers chance"......
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Originally posted by RockyMarcianofan00 View Postlol
Guys who are strong, fast, or both always tend to seem invincible...
Thats why you see people always saying Foreman, Ali, or Tyson will win against anyone....
Life's troublesome...Though Foreman, Tyson, as well as many will always have "a punchers chance"......
Wow I didn't even realize I typed Life's Troublesome....LOL my current mindset is alittle depressing to say the least...
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