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    #31
    Originally posted by wmute View Post
    "used to work" I am afraid

    Aye, true dat.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Yogi View Post
      And that's certainly no slight towards Barney Ross either, as like you said in a following post, Benny Leonard can be argued as one of the very greatest fighters of all-time no matter the weight division. I know I personally see him as such, as well as being the greatest fighter to have ever fought in his own division at lightweight...

      As far as ***ish fighters go, I'd rank Ross behind Leonard, then I'd probably fill out the top five with names like Ted Kid Lewis, Abe Attell, and Joe Choynski...Berg, Rosenbloom, Lew Tendler, etc. filling out top ten spots mos likely, and if I was to include the pre-Queensberry era, I would have to find a spot in there for Daniel Mendoza, no doubt.

      Lots a great fighters there, and as Buddy points out, also a TON of rich history (yes, the early 1900's were wonderful, with so many great fighters, and with ethnic background being a large selling point in the sport, so many great matchups), as that's only a tiny sampling of some of the better ***ish fighters fighters that have stepped into the ring...From Mendoza (possibly earlier) to Zab Judah, that covers a lot of history in the sport and that's a history that's going to outlive us all by many lifetimes.
      I forgot many but Tendler was a vicious Southpaw I read.

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        #33
        Originally posted by eazy_mas View Post
        i know but i was asking about how they entered the sports?

        i didnt want to bring all this ***ish-****** or other thing that is outside the topic.

        in every race there is a fighter who opend there door for example for mexician there was Salvador Sanchez and Chavezfor Puetro Rican there was Gomez and Tito and for the philipines there was Manny pacquioa..etc

        who is they boxer who gave them they key to the door is i would put it and who dominted before them
        Bud, they entered into the ring the way any poor sub-group does. Those who fight spill their blood and sweat for paying customers who usualy have an easier way to make a living. Not all ***s boxed, no; but neither do all Blacks, all Irish, or all of any race. Some can, some can't, some want to, some don't have it in them; but of those that do, I guarantee you that they wanted to be the best and win respect as much as the big purse.....to have a chance to fight back without the possibility of being lynched or murdered for standing up for yourself. That was some of the freedom the ring brough all ********** in the earlier days of this once extremely racist nation.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Shanus View Post
          Yeah, he should have.. but I still put Pep and Floyd above him.

          Leonard is easily a top 5 P4P fighter, arguably top 3.

          Infact, he has a better argument of being a top 3 P4P fighter than Willie Pep.
          Leonard could knock people out, Pep couldn't.

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            #35
            Originally posted by buddychacon View Post
            I can't forget Abe Attell when speaking of ***ish masters. Such was the trend of ***s in boxing that many fighters ie. Max Baer adopted the Star of David on their trunks as a marketing tool.

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              #36
              Originally posted by K-DOGG View Post
              Just because some are well off now, it doesn't mean it was always so. ***s were once among the lowest of the low in the U.S., right alongside the Irish, the Italian, and just about any immigrant.

              You've been mislead my friend. Someone is teaching you far too many stereotypes. ***s, when they first came to America, were treated like second-class citizens along with my ancestors, Irish immigrants; but many families worked their way up through society by scrimping and saving and eventually starting their own businesses. That's the way the "American Dream" works; you start off with nothing and over time and with hard work, you become affluent.

              ***s, like all immigrants, were really looked down upon when they first came here....and apparently, even after 6 million were killed in Europe due to similar prejudices they are still being villanized.
              Wow, I didn't know the ***s were actually on par with the Irish and Italian, good to hear, but not so sure it was true.


              ***s have been hated for thousands of years, and have been kicked out everywhere...but just remember, if you look at the examples in history, where there are ***s, the economy flurishes, but when you kick them out, the economy goes down the ****ter.

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                #37
                Originally posted by buddychacon View Post
                Just agree the tide has not been in their favor throughout history. I said was a ***ish sport, keyword was.
                ***s had an impact on the sport before WWII, but I wouldn't say they dominated over others, just that they were on the same level...Many ***ish Champions in those days.


                ***s were smart about their boxing: They would fight, gather money and save it, retire early and go to college to do something else with their lives. There was a good documentary on ESPN called "Duke it Out" {I think that is what it was called}, about Immigrant fighters, one documentary was about ***s in boxing. There were former Champions that became Doctors, Lawyers, teachers, etc. after retiring.

                Also, after WWII, education was being paid for by the Government if you served in the War, guess who took advantage?


                I think Ray Arcel was ***ish

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Abe Attell View Post
                  ***s had an impact on the sport before WWII, but I wouldn't say they dominated over others, just that they were on the same level...Many ***ish Champions in those days.


                  ***s were smart about their boxing: They would fight, gather money and save it, retire early and go to college to do something else with their lives. There was a good documentary on ESPN called "Duke it Out" {I think that is what it was called}, about Immigrant fighters, one documentary was about ***s in boxing. There were former Champions that became Doctors, Lawyers, teachers, etc. after retiring.

                  Also, after WWII, education was being paid for by the Government if you served in the War, guess who took advantage?


                  I think Ray Arcel was ***ish
                  Ray Arcel probably was and of course Charlie Goldman was. ***s were once the lowest of the low and from the slums of the US.

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                    #39
                    Bump for Asian.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by BuddyChacon View Post
                      Bump for Asian.
                      A bump for Asian? Is it my turn yet, or did you **** up the cipher?

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