Originally posted by MindGame
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If Satan and God are enemies why does Satan punish people who go against God? -
Originally posted by Furn View Post
because they are enemies at a certain level only.
they are fix enemies in the eyes of deranged men only.
if you have eyes to see.
Job 1:6
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among themComment
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I probably have missed it.Originally posted by MindGame View Post
Can you please post the verse in the bible where this was revealed?
Thank you in advance.Comment
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Satan hates people, people are created in the image of God...Originally posted by Furn View Post
God protects people from Satan... This is why Satan tries to get people to denounce God and the path to redemption through Jesus Christ...
The more people stray from God, the less protection they have from Satan...
All that dime store Satanist junk you see is designed to take people away from the protections of God...
But most things used to separate people from God are veiled to various degrees...
Just like fishing hides the hook, using artificial lures or even live bait if necessary... Satan uses all means at his disposal to lure you away from God...Comment
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Yes, God is all-knowing...Originally posted by siablo14 View Post
But knowing something and making it happen are two different things...
We know that Manny Pacquiao just beat Keith Thurman... We didn't make it happen, but we know the outcome...
If we were to watch the replay with someone who thinks the fight is being shown live, and we tell them what is going to happen before it actually does...
Does this mean we made it happen or do we know what will happen because we have foreknowledge ???Comment
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The Gospel of John 1: 1-3 KJVOriginally posted by miron_lang View Post
1.) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2.) The same was in the beginning with God.
3.) All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
The Gospel of John 1: 14 KJV
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into Glory.
1 Colossians 1:16 KJV
For by him all things were created, that are in heaven, that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and for him:
I won't overkill this, the Word speaks for Itself...
In the beginning, the only thing that existed was God and his Word... Jesus is the living Word and became a man, sacrificed for our Salvation...
Everything that came into existence was created by Him and for Him, including all the Angels...Comment
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God knew then that satan wouldn't come out to anything good. So why did He create him?Originally posted by MindGame View PostComment
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Siablo,Originally posted by siablo14 View Post
God created Lucifer perfectly...
Isaiah 28: 14,15 KJV
14.) Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15.) Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in the thee.
Lucifer was the chief of the Angels.
Even the archangel Michael didn't challenge the devil in his own power, but with God's rebuke...
Jude 1: 9 KJV
Yet Michael the archangel when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses; durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, the Lord rebuke thee.
(This is off subject, but I'll say this about this contention for the body of Moses: Satan wanted the body so that it could be memorialized and turned into an object of worship...
God foresaw this and had the archangel Michael secure the body... God never allowed the worship of statues or tombs of Old Testament figures, he doesn't allow the worship of New Testament Saints or statues either...)
The point of the scriptures I quoted is this, Lucifer was favored and was given greater power than the other angels...
This was not a temporary thing, there was no sense of time before the creation of the material universe...
Time itself was created for the physical universe...
Genesis 1:1 KJV
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
This is our beginning (Time) heaven (Space) earth (Matter.)
The Angelic realm existed before our physical universe and the duration of that existence was almost infinite, while God's existence was/is/will always be infinite...
Lucifer might have existed in complete perfection for almost an infinite amount of time, not corrupting himself till the end...
Lucifer's judgment and time spent in the Lake of Fire might actually be a small percentage of his total existence...
Therefore God would have foreseen a very long duration of perfect existence for Lucifer, until his corruption...
If 99.9% of Lucifer's existence was perfect, would it be justified to deny him any existence at all ???
We can't look at this from only our human perspective, because our existence is very miniscule compared to Infinity...
As I have alluded to earlier, Satan and the demons have a space of time to change themselves...
One aspect of the creation of men is for the Angels to learn...
Ephesians 3: 10 KJV
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifest wisdom of God,
The principalities and powers in heaven are the Angels and God is teaching them His wisdom through the church, through us...
God teaches the angels, through us...
When we sin, we repent to a merciful God and he will forgive us if we are sincere through Jesus blood...
This is a pattern for the Fallen Angels to observe...
The demons can learn the pattern, Man Sins-Man Repents- God Forgives through Jesus Christ...
I don't know of a path for salvation for the demons, but the pattern that they are to learn from is to repent and ask Mercy from the merciful God, the Lord of Hosts...
This is a reason why they have time to accomplish something from the moment they fell to the moment the'll received judgment...
This is their time to learn from the pattern of repentance and mercy and throw themselves upon the mercy of God...
Whatever form of Mercy that might be, they must have faith on their own and Trust in God for leniency...Comment
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Blue - you are speculating. Stick to facts.Originally posted by MindGame View Post
Red - Yes it would be acceptable for God to not create Satan, if God knew that Satan was gonna bring organized evil to this Earth. Remember you are speculating about the timeline too.
So Brother Mind, why did God create evil?Comment
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Nope, Chiefs are trash. You're thinking of PAC&PBFSuck, he's a chiefs fanOriginally posted by -MAKAVELLI-Comment
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