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    #81
    Originally posted by ***1048;ATAS View Post
    Capitalism cannot continue forever obviously. Half the planet is in poverty largely because of Capitalism and Imperialism.
    Capitalism and free markets have been easing many of the poor over the poverty line for decades now, and continues to do so. How on earth you can be so convinced capitalism will simply end is mind boggling. Believing and having a strong view point - does not make it a reality. As merit-able as the passion is.

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      #82
      Originally posted by Kris Silver View Post
      Capitalism and free markets have been easing many of the poor over the poverty line for decades now, and continues to do so. How on earth you can be so convinced capitalism will simply end is mind boggling. Believing and having a strong view point - does not make it a reality. As merit-able as the passion is.
      tell him capitalism has been around since the dawn of man.

      tell him his precious communism couldn't last a century.

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        #83
        Originally posted by Kris Silver View Post
        Capitalism and free markets have been easing many of the poor over the poverty line for decades now, and continues to do so. How on earth you can be so convinced capitalism will simply end is mind boggling. Believing and having a strong view point - does not make it a reality. As merit-able as the passion is.
        Really? So societies don't evolve and stay the same forever? 50, 100, 500 years from now economic systems will stay exactly the same? Tell me more.

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          #84
          Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
          tell him capitalism has been around since the dawn of man.

          tell him his precious communism couldn't last a century.
          I guess Feudalism never happened.

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            #85
            Originally posted by ***1048;ATAS View Post
            I guess Feudalism never happened.
            a lot of systems have been tried.

            capitalism started when the first goat was traded and never stopped.

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              #86
              Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
              a lot of systems have been tried.

              capitalism started when the first goat was traded and never stopped.
              feudalism lasted a long time. Everything in this universe evolves, everything. To think one economic system will simply last forever is very ignorant. No one knows what societies and technology will be like 50, 100 or 500 years from now. Everything changes. It's only matter of when and how.

              Trading a goat doesn't equal capitalism btw lol

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                #87
                Originally posted by ***1048;ATAS View Post
                feudalism lasted a long time. Everything in this universe evolves, everything. To think one economic system will simply last forever is very ignorant. No one knows what societies and technology will be like 50, 100 or 500 years from now. Everything changes. It's only matter of when and how.

                Trading a goat doesn't equal capitalism btw lol
                lol you know what i mean.

                i believe in the most basic principles of free enterprise and trade as well as the modern definition of what marx termed "capitalism"

                i believe greed, selfishness, self interest, etc. IS NORMAL HUMAN NATURE.

                any system (EVEN MOST FORMS OF CAPITALISM PRACTICED NOW) that tries to limit/control our self interests are doomed to fail.



                and capitalism while not perfect is best.

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
                  lol you know what i mean.

                  i believe in the most basic principles of free enterprise and trade as well as the modern definition of what marx termed "capitalism"

                  i believe greed, selfishness, self interest, etc. IS NORMAL HUMAN NATURE.

                  any system (EVEN MOST FORMS OF CAPITALISM PRACTICED NOW) that tries to limit/control our self interests are doomed to fail.



                  and capitalism while not perfect is best.
                  Well that's a whole different topic, if you want to talk about greed and what is natural.

                  Communism is an economic system, a way which will allow a society based on common ownership and control of the means of production, i.e rather than a small rich layer of society controlling the wealth and exploiting the workers, the workers would ********ically own the wealth and make decisions.

                  Further, humans are not hard wired for greed. Like all things in nature, human consciousness and society are always in a state of change. Remember, "conditions determine consciousness". ****, humans only got to where we are today by being social creatures and the hunter/gatherer societies that existed long before were what allowed mankind to survive. On the grand scheme of things, or looking at the long timeline of mankind, the majority of human existence didn't even exist classes, and we lived communally.

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by ***1048;ATAS View Post
                    Really? So societies don't evolve and stay the same forever? 50, 100, 500 years from now economic systems will stay exactly the same? Tell me more.
                    When you change the landscape avoiding the concise points being put at you with outlandish sweeping comments, it demonstrates you're unable to really quantify your original statement.

                    You said "capitalism cannot continue forever obviously". That's a definitive, closed statement. You said it, no one else. Back it up.

                    What you may at most mean is it may very well be different again, in a few decades or centuries. Slightly more acceptable if too broad. Assuming then you must have more insights than most leading futurologists, surmising different why and how roughly, shouldn't be too much to ask.

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by Kris Silver View Post
                      When you change the landscape avoiding the concise points being put at you with outlandish sweeping comments, it demonstrates you're unable to really quantify your original statement.

                      You said "capitalism cannot continue forever obviously". That's a definitive, closed statement. You said it, no one else. Back it up.

                      What you may at most mean is it may very well be different again, in a few decades or centuries. Slightly more acceptable if too broad. Assuming then you must have more insights than most leading futurologists, surmising different why and how roughly, shouldn't be too much to ask.
                      Are you being serious right now? You're asking me to back up the claim that everything changes? This is factual. Everything in our universe changes. It's undeniable. Again, to think otherwise and to believe capitalism can last forever is incredibly ignorant.
                      Last edited by ИATAS; 03-12-2014, 06:55 PM.

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