Omicron now

[Clegg]

yeah i know dip****, but some are going back into them or threatening them and when some countries do the others usually follow. my point is i dont know why we are isolating 4 year olds because they have a runny nose when people who want the vaccine have already had it. thought whole point of these restrictions was to slow down spread until people had vaccine, or were 2 shots not enough and we gotta wait for the 3rd?. this virus will spread, most people have had the damn thing already i just dont know when people like you want this thing to end, seems like never. if the virus is never going away why are we still following all this BS, maybe it says a lot about where society is at now that im the crazy one for thinking its wrong to start isolating 4 year olds. again as i asked koba, why are you so scared of it?

Dunno if you have children or live a life outside of internet rhetoric, but if your kid is coughing and has a runny nose, or has any kind of virus (corona, flu, anything like that) you shouldn't be sending them into school in the first place.

[man down]

I'm not scared nor am I trying to hide, I'm just taking sensible precautions to mitigate risks both to myself and others. Same way I wear a seatbelt when I drive. Nor do I know anyone else who seems to be particularly scared. Bit frustrated maybe but certainly nothing close to how things seem to be in your imagination with a humiliated and beaten population cowering in their homes..... Mostly everyone I know just going about their business. Maybe you need to get out a bit more?

Don't you think it a little strange that you've chosen to phrase it that way though? Contemptuous language designed to elicit a powerful emotive respoonse. The langauge of the propaganda you've been consuming in fact.

And you and I both know that whilst vaccines offer good protection they ain't a panacea so once again why you playing dumb?. A child isolated whilst awaiting pick up - providing obviously it's in reasonable conditions - is far better than a class with half a dozen or a dozen infected children with a high chance of passing it on to other relatives with all the knock on effects that result. And yeah, once again, if the parents had been paying even moderate attention to the rules about sending in symptomatic kids this would never have bben an issue.

And the point of the lockdowns is primarily to reduce the number of infections happening at the same time to a managable level - minimal if possible - so that both healthcare and other services are as much as possible able to continue to provide necessary services including those to non-COVID patients who also require treatment. Vaccination is a major part of that strategy - and things would be far far worse right now without it - but whether it is enough by itself is dependent on a variety of factors.

You asked me about what we've been told from our government.

[man down]

Australia taking land. Could you imagine this? Man I could start a topic just about Australia all by its self. Oh and Kobe don't bother replying to this until you reply to my last post in here.

[Citizen Koba]

I agree but grouping them together if that is the case may not be ideal. They did that during the 1918 pandemic and the people isolated in groups got very sick and had a higher death rate. Not sure of what is going in in this case but there may be risks.

No I wasn't advocating it for anything other than this particular instance of a symptomatic children being brought into school being temporarily seperated whilst awaiting pick-up that's just an obvious precaution.

With regards to the argument about simply isolating the vulnerable and those who start presenting symptoms - which is what most of these antivax dudes claim should have been done - it utterly fails to address the problems associated with asymptomatic transmission, runs a significant risk of health services being overwhelmed and an array of other soical and logistical problems associated with too many people being ill at the same time... to the extent where the long term economic harm both to the individual and society might be as great or greater than locking down but at the cost of more lives.

I'm not saying it's a completely unreasonable position - the case of Sweden bore out that it ain't necessarily a catastrophic strategy (although they themselves said it wouldn't have worked in a more densely populated urbanised society) but Sweden not only failed to perform better than it's neighbours economically but had a much greater loss of life on a per capita basis

Also the concerns raised by people about economic and mental health issues, domestic violence, child socialisation and so on are absolutely legitimate and whilst health strategists weren't blind to these factors they are also incredibly hard to weigh objectively. Certainly we can say thats tens or likley hundreds of thousands of lives have been saved but the full tally of costs might not become fully apparent for years...

But and here's the kicker -rule one of crisis mangement - especially in the event of a rapidly spreading infection, is to contain the problem in front of you. Attempting to weigh unknown future risks against known clear and present threats is a dangerous diversion.

What I can say for sure, because I've been involved in some of the group efforts is that local authorities are now dedicating very substantial resources to mental health and social wellbeing initatives, and have been since relatively early in the lockdown. I'm involved with a local collective that's been taking food round to isolated people throughout for instance and arranging for Zoom meetings just to chat and get company to people Now things have opened up a bit more we just opened a Youth Club and got a ton of funding for that and we also got a Men in Sheds group starting up to help isolated dudes get some socialising (although that's currently been put on backburner whilst the Youth Group gets up to speed - we only opened end of October and we already got 20 to 25 regular kids coming... gonna cap it at 30).

Point being most of society is just getting on trying to make the best of a pretty **** situation whereas these lunatics are living in some twisted fantasy of authoritarian hell which simply doesn't represent the reality for the vast majority of people. Weird thing is evey time I quizzed one of em individually about their own experiences of the pandemic it mostly turns out they been just fine and haven't really suffered at all from the jackboot of tyranny on their necks. Who'd a thought it?

[MOTHERDUCKER]

Honestly fck Trump for saying take the vaccine to combat Omoricon (whatever the ****)..

De Santis 2024.. guy actually takes action + far less likely to put his foot in his mouth

[Citizen Koba]

Australia taking land. Could you imagine this? Man I could start a topic just about Australia all by its self. Oh and Kobe don't bother replying to this until you reply to my last post in here.

You think you get to tell me what I reply to and what I don't?

But anyway, sure. Your mfers surely did waaaay oversell it didn't they? What you want me to say?. That some proof of conspiracy to you? I always prefer unadorned facts myself but advertisers will probably tell you a little exaggeration goes along way. And FWIW whilst I despise the politicisation of the whole pandemic in the US - particularly cos your shit has spilled over across the anglosphere and beyond - I certainly also recognise that your Dems are majorly responsible for that by attempting to use it for political gain and electioneering purposes almost from the get go. That's ****** and harmful whoever's doing it.

And what? The treatment of the indigenous in Australia... damn man, you didn't know? About that? You thought the British Empire and it's successor states and offspring only did that shat in the US and Canada - or worse that it was only a part of history? Did you not see me mention it on Rolls' thread about the the army trucks? Shit. You never heard of the Stolen Generation?

Nah man, the indignous population has been bascially treated like shit forever, land theft, enforced cultural assimilation, genocide. Everywhere the British saw fit to spread their rapacious colonial mentality that's what happened, India, Africa, the Americas, Australia- and the abuses continue right up to the present.

I know you ain't muich of a reader but I can link you to a ton of good stuff on the systematic abuse and degradation of Indigenous Australians if you're interested. Could link you the same for Indigenous Americans too but since you say you got Indigenous blood anyway I wouldn't want to presume... even though I never seen you express much interest in that side of your heritage on here.



You gonna share your thoughts on Standing Rock and other indigenous land-rights protests in North America then man, or you only interested in Australia?

[man down]

Honestly fck Trump for saying take the vaccine to combat Omoricon (whatever the ****)..

De Santis 2024.. guy actually takes action + far less likely to put his foot in his mouth

We can address that if he wins. For now we'll focus on Hitler and his mandates. Remember what you've been told and by whom.

[man down]

No I wasn't advocating it for anything other than this particular instance of a symptomatic children being brought into school being temporarily seperated whilst awaiting pick-up that's just an obvious precaution.

With regards to the argument about simply isolating the vulnerable and those who start presenting symptoms - which is what most of these antivax dudes claim should have been done - it utterly fails to address the problems associated with asymptomatic transmission, runs a significant risk of health services being overwhelmed and an array of other soical and logistical problems associated with too many people being ill at the same time... to the extent where the long term economic harm both to the individual and society might be as great or greater than locking down but at the cost of more lives.

I'm not saying it's a completely unreasonable position - the case of Sweden bore out that it ain't necessarily a catastrophic strategy (although they themselves said it wouldn't have worked in a more densely populated urbanised society) but Sweden not only failed to perform better than it's neighbours economically but had a much greater loss of life on a per capita basis

Also the concerns raised by people about economic and mental health issues, domestic violence, child socialisation and so on are absolutely legitimate and whilst health strategists weren't blind to these factors they are also incredibly hard to weigh objectively. Certainly we can say thats tens or likley hundreds of thousands of lives have been saved but the full tally of costs might not become fully apparent for years...

But and here's the kicker -rule one of crisis mangement - especially in the event of a rapidly spreading infection, is to contain the problem in front of you. Attempting to weigh unknown furtuture risks against known clear and present threats is a dangerous diversion.

What I can say for sure, because I've been involved in some of the group efforts is that local authorities are now dedicating very substantial resources to mental health and social wellbeing initatives, and have been since relatively early in the lockdown. I'm involved with a local collective that's been taking food round to isolated people throughout for instance and arranging for Zoom meetings just to chat and get company to people Now things have opened up a bit more we just opened a Youth Club and got a ton of funding for that and we also got a Men in Sheds group starting up to help isolated dudes get some socialising (although that's currently been put on backburner whilst the Youth Group gets up to spped - we only opened end of October and we already got 20 to 25 regular kids coming... gonna cap it at 30).

Point being most of society is just getting on trying to make the best of a pretty **** situation whereas these lunatics are living in some twisted fantasy of authoritarian hell which simply doesn't represent the reality for the vast majority of people. Weird thing is evey time I quizzed one of em individually about their own experiences of the pandemic it mostly turns out they been just fine and haven't really suffered at all from the jackboot of tyranny on their necks. Who'd a thought it?

Make a mandate for boosters in the US and see how many now take it. People are waking up to this BS.


Now with this new mutation everyone I talk to says they're done. It is what it is and no more shots. Theyre not lab ****.

I can't wait until they get this wake up call. Do it *****, try it now.

[man down]

Like I said not FDA approved.

[Marchegiano]

You gonna share your thoughts on Standing Rock and other indigenous land-rights protests in North America then man, or you only interested in Australia?

Do be fair, ain't no one treating Mexicans like natives despite Mexicans generally having more native blood than card carrying white people who have some bull like "I is 12% Chippawa" or whatever while being named Ted and having blonde hair.

Point is just because someone expresses doesn't mean they are and just because someone else doesn't express does not mean they are not.

Hispanics act far more Spanish than they do native....they tend to be far more native than the folks we call natives in the US. Just because they truck out feather in hair Lakota for every single let me cry about white people video on **** like YT doesn't mean America's native population is actually a bunch of red skinned, black haired, feather wearers. Most you'll meet look just as Euro as you and get a card to prove they are indeed native. Get a card cause they gonna need it.

I hardly share thoughts too....outside of pointing out the mainlanders don't have any right to cry about Columbus because that fool landed on my island not their ****. For real, TF does some Sioux prick whose grands fought Americans know about Columbus's brutal dictatorship over my people? Like **** yeah? Indeed, like ****, but all you ever see is red skins from the mainland whose tragedies happened a few hundred years later.

So depiction kinda dictates they ham up the native ****. What is the point in being Taino? You get ignored in every facet of "native american" topics. It is far better for any Taino to just be Puerto Rican because Puerto Ricans get heard and taino are just part of them.

We hear about our Lakota's input and call it "native" which leaves the rest of them out. Do you even know what a plains native vs a mountain native looks like? Kinda sad right? Would you bother in that situation?

Be an uphill battle convincing honkey latinos are more native than most of their modern tribes so we don't but the fact is anyone who is even a little bit a medical professional, and I do not claim ANY diagnosing ability or training and still know this, anyone who is a pro know Mexicans, medically speaking, and treated like they're natives because that is the majority of their genes and Mexican isn't really a thing medically. They are that native, medical staff does not even run a genetic test unless it's needed for being more specific. They treat mexicans using the same **** they do natives because they are. Where as, got you a card? got you some european features not found in America? Medically speaking you just european.

So on that, I'd give even a bull****ter a free pass. Any latino can basically take up the native mantle whenever they want and all youse can say is but you ain't no read skin feather hair prick.