Omicron now

[Beercules]

No old people who catch the flu don't automatically die. Old people who catch covid don't automatically die either. The difference is Covid is much more deadly than the flu and older people die in much greater numbers. By the way more children and non seniors are catching covid and require hospitalization since this new Omicron strain appeared. Some hospitals are delaying necessary surgery because they are overwhelmed.

I don't disagree with that but they are overwhelmed because they are understaffed because of a BS mandate

When doctors and nurses say they don't want it, there's a problem

[Citizen Koba]

What the hell is going on? CNN now?

Yeah we're seeing that kinda thing increasingly in the UK too. Tentatively in the more upmarket outlets and more directly in the populist press. Point is it's been decided at some level that this shat has gone on long enough and now they're paving the way for major policy shifts over the next few weeks or months. There's still a degree of hedging going on (and of course the gutter press are still doing shock horror doom stories right alongside 'back to business' type stories).

My reading is that whilst there has been a cautious shift in the Scientific consensus with increasing evidence that Omicron might be significantly less pathogenic it's mainly a political decison... on both sides of the Atlantic there's a degree of weariness, over your side *****s popularity ain't great and over here our Prime Crook is facing widespread rebellion from within his own party. Honestly it's probably still too early to say with confidence we've reached the endgame but with your mid-terms approaching and Boris at the mercy of Conservative rebels or relying on the opposition vote both of em need an exit strategy.

I'm actually looking to see how Europe - particualrly Germany - reacts at this point cos although they got their own issues, in general their populations are both well educated and have relatively high levels of trust in their public institutions and are more likely to prioritise public health over political expedience.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Why do comorbitidies only matter now with the vaxed deaths? C'mon keep it consistent, you won't acknowledge that most unvaxed who died were obese or elderly.

The bottom line is that covid is not a real risk of death for healthy people vax or no vax. And that's the bottom line, cuz Stone Cold said so.

[TonyGe]

How many of those people with omicron are dying Tony?

Probably too many. You seem to be a self appointed expert, what are your numbers. What I can tell you that here in Ontario Canada 17 percent of the population is unvaccinated and make up half of the people in the ICU's. Whether they have Delta or Omicron is irrelevant they still ended up in intensive care. You have already had Covid twice so you know natural immunity doesn't work. Delta is still out there. In fact countries are starting to report cases of dual infections of Omicron and Delta. The US just reported 1.35 million new cases in a single day.

[Robbie Barrett]

is it? stats came out yesterday, weve got half the amount dying from covid this winter than we do in a bad flu season in UK. the NHS chiefs literally said the other day they arent overwhelmed ffs, surgeries often get cancelled over the winter, quit scaremongering, sick of it

They have the military helping in hospitals and are turning to private hospitals to help. Not overwhelmed though. I think you don't want to post sources because the majority of "stats" you post are complete made up BS.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Yeah we're seeing that kinda thing increasingly in the UK too. Tentatively in the more upmarket outlets and more directly in the populist press. Point is it's been decided at some level that this shat has gone on long enough and now they're paving the way for major policy shifts over the next few weeks or months. There's still a degree of hedging going on (and of course the gutter press are still doing shock horror doom stories right alongside 'back to business' type stories).

My reading is that whilst there has been a cautious shift in the Scientific consensus with increasing evidence that Omicron might be very much less pathogenic it's mainly a political decison... on both sides of the Atlantic there's a degree of weariness, over your side *****s popularity ain't great and over here our Prime Crook is facing widespread rebellion from within his own party. Honestly it's probably still too early to say with confidence we've reached the endgame but with your mid-terms approaching and Boris at the mercy of Conservative rebels or relying on the opposition vote both of em need an exit strategy.

I'm actually looking to see how Europe - particualrly Germany - reacts at this point cos although they got their own issues, in general their populations are both well educated and have relatively high levels of trust in their public institutions and are more likely to prioritise public health over political expedience.

I explained this nicely already in a lot of detail, America is very different from the UK. Our regulation agencies sold out to the interests they are supposed to regulate a long time ago - big agriculture, big pharma, Wall Street, big tech. This is all documented by fact it's not a conspiracy theory or populism. That's why we don't trust the government it's not because we're some ****** anti science idiots.

[Robbie Barrett]

Why do comorbitidies only matter now with the vaxed deaths? C'mon keep it consistent, you won't acknowledge that most unvaxed who died were obese or elderly.

The bottom line is that covid is not a real risk of death for healthy people vax or no vax. And that's the bottom line, cuz Stone Cold said so.

The majority of serious ill in hospital are unvaxxed despite being the minority. So either the vaccine is making a major difference or the unvaccinated are disproportionally unhealthy.

[man down]

Probably too many. You seem to be a self appointed expert, what are your numbers. What I can tell you that here in Ontario Canada 17 percent of the population is unvaccinated and make up half of the people in the ICU's. Whether they have Delta or Omicron is irrelevant they still ended up in intensive care. You have already had Covid twice so you know natural immunity doesn't work. Delta is still out there. In fact countries are starting to report cases of dual infections of Omicron and Delta. The US just reported 1.35 million new cases in a single day.

I'm far from a expert as you know. I'm learning as I go just like many. But at the same time many aren't learning. They're repeating the same old thing with more deaths and cases this last year.

Robert Malone said there's been 10 deaths reported. I dont know if that's true or not but what I do know is we have more cases than ever before and no one in the fear media is screaming like before everyone is dying. Matter of fact they're reporting its mild, even on CNN. Read kobas reply, as outlets switch the narrative.

The silence is defining.

[man down]

The majority of serious ill in hospital are unvaxxed despite being the minority. So either the vaccine is making a major difference or the unvaccinated are disproportionally unhealthy.

Robbie what are hospitals for? Treatment right? So why do you keep on about how many are in the hospital if we're not seeing major death rates? This is like the left throwing a party when Rogan got covid only to find out he recovered three days later. Cong**** people got the virus. How many died?

[Robbie Barrett]

Robbie what are hospitals for? Treatment right? So why do you keep on about how many are in the hospital if we're not seeing major death rates? This is like the left throwing a party when Rogan got covid only to find out he recovered three days later. Cong**** people got the virus. How many died?

People only go in ICU if seriously ill Man Down. Explain why the minority (unvaxxed) are the majority in the ICU.