Omicron now

[TernceBudCharlo]

Let's say it does reduce symptoms. Where's all the dead unvaxxed from omicron? So I'm going to get a extra day of a cold without the booster? Also, like I said 10 weeks. What happens after the 10 weeks? No one is going to get 5 boosters a year right?

Don't worry I got ya.

I don't even think it actually reduces symptoms of omicron, but the MSM acts like it does. They don't even try and lie and say that the vaccines stop the spread though.

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I don't even think it actually reduces symptoms of omicron, but the MSM acts like it does. They don't even try and lie and say that the vaccines stop the spread though.

Someone needs to do a year and review video for all this BS.

[TonyGe]

UOTE=TernceBudCharlo;n31246349]

It reduces the severity of YOUR symptoms. Maybe. It probably does reduce it for delta, MAYBE for omicron, there really isn't any peer reviewed research yet.

I know plenty of vaccinated people getting terrible terrible omicron symptoms.

But even if you have mild symptoms because of the vaccine, that doesn't stop you from catching it and spreading it to an older person who may get worse symptoms. Does nothing that way. [/QUOTE]

Here's the thing. Now they are starting to think the two strains of Covid, Delta and Omicron are so different that getting natural immunity from either one won't help you against the other strain Also they suspect that Delta which is more deadly is not going away. We may be in a dual pandemic. Luckily two doses of Phiser according to a Canadian study reduces hospitalization due to Omicron by 70% which is good news. If this turns out to be the case it's going to decrease the burden on hospitals and allow people with other issues to get better and more thorough care. Something that everyone regardless of their view on vaccinations will welcome.

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UOTE=TernceBudCharlo;n31246349]

It reduces the severity of YOUR symptoms. Maybe. It probably does reduce it for delta, MAYBE for omicron, there really isn't any peer reviewed research yet.

I know plenty of vaccinated people getting terrible terrible omicron symptoms.

But even if you have mild symptoms because of the vaccine, that doesn't stop you from catching it and spreading it to an older person who may get worse symptoms. Does nothing that way.

Here's the thing. Now they are starting to think the two strains of Covid, Delta and Omicron are so different that getting natural immunity from either one won't help you against the other strain Also they suspect that Delta which is more deadly is not going away. We may be in a dual pandemic. Luckily two doses of Phiser according to a Canadian study reduces hospitalization due to Omicron by 70% which is good news. If this turns out to be the case it's going to decrease the burden on hospitals and allow people with other issues to get better and more thorough care. Something that everyone regardless of their view on vaccinations will welcome.[/QUOTE]

Where do you get your information?

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You clowns were all wrong and you have moved the goalposts for Pfizer over and over again.
*** it you want to ignore the facts and play on feelings then I'm going to call you vaxxed out. You ARE still the trail and there's no FDA approved vaccine in the US. You're in too deep now and you will say anything to save face.

If states like VA NY that requires a Vax for anything by mandate then who's in the hospital???? Who's the ones filling the hospitals when it's required to get a vaccine? You clowns can't even admit the facts that states with highest Vax rates hospitals are full.

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Israel is looking at herd immunity now. Why? One of the most vaxxed countries is now looking at herd immunity, why?

[TernceBudCharlo]

UOTE=TernceBudCharlo;n31246349]

It reduces the severity of YOUR symptoms. Maybe. It probably does reduce it for delta, MAYBE for omicron, there really isn't any peer reviewed research yet.

I know plenty of vaccinated people getting terrible terrible omicron symptoms.

But even if you have mild symptoms because of the vaccine, that doesn't stop you from catching it and spreading it to an older person who may get worse symptoms. Does nothing that way.

Here's the thing. Now they are starting to think the two strains of Covid, Delta and Omicron are so different that getting natural immunity from either one won't help you against the other strain Also they suspect that Delta which is more deadly is not going away. We may be in a dual pandemic. Luckily two doses of Phiser according to a Canadian study reduces hospitalization due to Omicron by 70% which is good news. If this turns out to be the case it's going to decrease the burden on hospitals and allow people with other issues to get better and more thorough care. Something that everyone regardless of their view on vaccinations will welcome.[/QUOTE]

That first part is right but that second part is definitely wrong, common sense we'll get heard immunity to delta just like we did to every other strain. And it will go away just like every other variant.

Reduces hospitalization by 70% but who cares when the odds of a healthy person like you or me is unlikely to ever be hostpialzied? Why would I care if my chances of hospitalization are 1% and the vaccine lowers it to .3% allegedly? That's not much of a benefit. Now if you're a fat, unhealthy person then sure, get the vaccine.

Also where do you live TonyGe? I'm in NYC, the worlds leader for omicron cases. So I know something about omicron. I know dozens of people who have it and I can tell you for sure there's no difference in symptoms between my vaccinated and unvaccinated friends.

The hospitals have never been overburdened because of covid. They're overburdened because more and more nurses are quitting because they don't want to take the vaccine.

Now I agree that reducing the burden on hospitals is a good thing but that doesn't automatically mean the vaccine works as advertised. And it 100% does not justify a vaccine mandate, otherwise we would mandate that all people exercise and stop eating junk food, which costs the health care system WAY more money than covid.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Also you talk about decreasing the burden on hospitals, but what about decreasing the burden on restaurants, bars, gyms, SMALL BLACK FAMILY OWNED BUSINESSES, whose businesses are getting CRIPPLED right now because of these vaccine mandates?

[TonyGe]

Here's the thing. Now they are starting to think the two strains of Covid, Delta and Omicron are so different that getting natural immunity from either one won't help you against the other strain Also they suspect that Delta which is more deadly is not going away. We may be in a dual pandemic. Luckily two doses of Phiser according to a Canadian study reduces hospitalization due to Omicron by 70% which is good news. If this turns out to be the case it's going to decrease the burden on hospitals and allow people with other issues to get better and more thorough care. Something that everyone regardless of their view on vaccinations will welcome.

That first part is right but that second part is definitely wrong, common sense we'll get heard immunity to delta just like we did to every other strain. And it will go away just like every other variant.

Reduces hospitalization by 70% but who cares when the odds of a healthy person like you or me is unlikely to ever be hostpialzied? Why would I care if my chances of hospitalization are 1% and the vaccine lowers it to .3% allegedly? That's not much of a benefit. Now if you're a fat, unhealthy person then sure, get the vaccine.

Also where do you live TonyGe? I'm in NYC, the worlds leader for omicron cases. So I know something about omicron. I know dozens of people who have it and I can tell you for sure there's no difference in symptoms between my vaccinated and unvaccinated friends.

The hospitals have never been overburdened because of covid. They're overburdened because more and more nurses are quitting because they don't want to take the vaccine.

Now I agree that reducing the burden on hospitals is a good thing but that doesn't automatically mean the vaccine works as advertised. And it 100% does not justify a vaccine mandate, otherwise we would mandate that all people exercise and stop eating junk food, which costs the health care system WAY more money than covid. [/QUOTE]

They have already mandated no smoking in public places long ago. Why? Because it affects the health of others. This mandate if it ever happens is no different. It's happening here. They just fired nursing and support staff that refused to get vaccinated at our local hospital. The idea that those people had that they don't need to be vaccinated against a highly contagious disease that preys on older people and people with preexisting conditions when that is who the hospital is full of is the height of selfishness. That's what really aggravates the people who got vaccinated. They precieve the antivaxers as selfish arrogant slackers that cry and moan endlessly that they are being picked on. This is not a noble cause that they are crusading about. Go and question the economy, human rights the World Bank trying to get rid of currency, wars etc. Those are real issues. This is about trying to protect yourself sure but also protecting others. If that means getting vaccinated then so be it.

No the vaccines were never advertised as 100% effective. If it was they would have passed the trials with a rating of 100% which none of them were. The original strains which was the target when they designed the vaccines are no longer a big concern. The virus has mutated since those early days and will continue to mutate. This simple fact isn't grasped by people opposed to the vaccines even though they were very successfull in reducing deaths. You are going to see more and different vaccines produced that will be effective against this latest variety. Vaccinations are safe and save lives. That isn't a bad thing unless your an antivaxer that needs something to complain about. This has been turned into some kind of crazy conspiracy by paranoid individuals when all the health departments in the world are trying to save lives which is what they were hired and trained to do.

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It keeps the unvaxxed out of the hospital. WA is 75% vaxxed.