Omicron now

[TonyGe]

Here's the thing. Now they are starting to think the two strains of Covid, Delta and Omicron are so different that getting natural immunity from either one won't help you against the other strain Also they suspect that Delta which is more deadly is not going away. We may be in a dual pandemic. Luckily two doses of Phiser according to a Canadian study reduces hospitalization due to Omicron by 70% which is good news. If this turns out to be the case it's going to decrease the burden on hospitals and allow people with other issues to get better and more thorough care. Something that everyone regardless of their view on vaccinations will welcome.

That first part is right but that second part is definitely wrong, common sense we'll get heard immunity to delta just like we did to every other strain. And it will go away just like every other variant.

Reduces hospitalization by 70% but who cares when the odds of a healthy person like you or me is unlikely to ever be hostpialzied? Why would I care if my chances of hospitalization are 1% and the vaccine lowers it to .3% allegedly? That's not much of a benefit. Now if you're a fat, unhealthy person then sure, get the vaccine.

Also where do you live TonyGe? I'm in NYC, the worlds leader for omicron cases. So I know something about omicron. I know dozens of people who have it and I can tell you for sure there's no difference in symptoms between my vaccinated and unvaccinated friends.

The hospitals have never been overburdened because of covid. They're overburdened because more and more nurses are quitting because they don't want to take the vaccine.

Now I agree that reducing the burden on hospitals is a good thing but that doesn't automatically mean the vaccine works as advertised. And it 100% does not justify a vaccine mandate, otherwise we would mandate that all people exercise and stop eating junk food, which costs the health care system WAY more money than covid. [/QUOTE]

They have already mandated no smoking in public places long ago. Why? Because it affects the health of others. This mandate if it ever happens is no different. It's happening here. They just fired nursing and support staff that refused to get vaccinated at our local hospital. The idea that those people had that they don't need to be vaccinated against a highly contagious disease that preys on older people and people with preexisting conditions when that is who the hospital is full of is the height of selfishness. That's what really aggravates the people who got vaccinated. They precieve the antivaxers as selfish arrogant slackers that cry and moan endlessly that they are being picked on. This is not a noble cause that they are crusading about. Go and question the economy, human rights the World Bank trying to get rid of currency, wars etc. Those are real issues. This is about trying to protect yourself sure but also protecting others. If that means getting vaccinated then so be it.

No the vaccines were never advertised as 100% effective. If it was they would have passed the trials with a rating of 100% which none of them were. The original strains which was the target when they designed the vaccines are no longer a big concern. The virus has mutated since those early days and will continue to mutate. This simple fact isn't grasped by people opposed to the vaccines even though they were very successfull in reducing deaths. You are going to see more and different vaccines produced that will be effective against this latest variety. Vaccinations are safe and save lives. That isn't a bad thing unless your an antivaxer that needs something to complain about. This has been turned into some kind of crazy conspiracy by paranoid individuals when all the health departments in the world are trying to save lives which is what they were hired and trained to do.

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It keeps the unvaxxed out of the hospital. WA is 75% vaxxed.

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That first part is right but that second part is definitely wrong, common sense we'll get heard immunity to delta just like we did to every other strain. And it will go away just like every other variant.

Reduces hospitalization by 70% but who cares when the odds of a healthy person like you or me is unlikely to ever be hostpialzied? Why would I care if my chances of hospitalization are 1% and the vaccine lowers it to .3% allegedly? That's not much of a benefit. Now if you're a fat, unhealthy person then sure, get the vaccine.

Also where do you live TonyGe? I'm in NYC, the worlds leader for omicron cases. So I know something about omicron. I know dozens of people who have it and I can tell you for sure there's no difference in symptoms between my vaccinated and unvaccinated friends.

The hospitals have never been overburdened because of covid. They're overburdened because more and more nurses are quitting because they don't want to take the vaccine.

Now I agree that reducing the burden on hospitals is a good thing but that doesn't automatically mean the vaccine works as advertised. And it 100% does not justify a vaccine mandate, otherwise we would mandate that all people exercise and stop eating junk food, which costs the health care system WAY more money than covid.

They have already mandated no smoking in public places long ago. Why? Because it affects the health of others. This mandate if it ever happens is no different. It's happening here. They just fired nursing and support staff that refused to get vaccinated at our local hospital. The idea that those people had that they don't need to be vaccinated against a highly contagious disease that preys on older people and people with preexisting conditions when that is who the hospital is full of is the height of selfishness. That's what really aggravates the people who got vaccinated. They precieve the antivaxers as selfish arrogant slackers that cry and moan endlessly that they are being picked on. This is not a noble cause that they are crusading about. Go and question the economy, human rights the World Bank trying to get rid of currency, wars etc. Those are real issues. This is about trying to protect yourself sure but also protecting others. If that means getting vaccinated then so be it.

No the vaccines were never advertised as 100% effective. If it was they would have passed the trials with a rating of 100% which none of them were. The original strains which was the target when they designed the vaccines are no longer a big concern. The virus has mutated since those early days and will continue to mutate. This simple fact isn't grasped by people opposed to the vaccines even though they were very successfull in reducing deaths. You are going to see more and different vaccines produced that will be effective against this latest variety. Vaccinations are safe and save lives. That isn't a bad thing unless your an antivaxer that needs something to complain about. This has been turned into some kind of crazy conspiracy by paranoid individuals when all the health departments in the world are trying to save lives which is what they were hired and trained to do. [/QUOTE]

So Isreal is crazy now?


Listen, you are just one of those people that do what the government tells you no matter what. This virus has a 99.7 survival rate to start with. So you're telling me the vaccine is going help what??. 01% live? Funny part is those are alpha and delta numbers. So what is omicron? 99.999%? Yeah we must have a vaccine for a cold now.
This whole scam will go down in history. No way Israel would even consider this after vaxxing the whole country if vaccines worked. Funny part is last week they were studying the effects of boosters on the immune system. Now they're suggesting this? Naw I'm sure one has nothing to do with the other.

Face it Tony you're a sheep.

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How long before the US does the same as Israel? Is this why they cut the quarantine time to 5 days? So people can spread it?

[TernceBudCharlo]

[QUOTE=TonyGe;n31246457]
They have already mandated no smoking in public places long ago. Why? Because it affects the health of others. This mandate if it ever happens is no different. It's happening here. They just fired nursing and support staff that refused to get vaccinated at our local hospital. The idea that those people had that they don't need to be vaccinated against a highly contagious disease that preys on older people and people with preexisting conditions when that is who the hospital is full of is the height of selfishness. That's what really aggravates the people who got vaccinated. They precieve the antivaxers as selfish arrogant slackers that cry and moan endlessly that they are being picked on. This is not a noble cause that they are crusading about. Go and question the economy, human rights the World Bank trying to get rid of currency, wars etc. Those are real issues. This is about trying to protect yourself sure but also protecting others. If that means getting vaccinated then so be it.

No the vaccines were never advertised as 100% effective. If it was they would have passed the trials with a rating of 100% which none of them were. The original strains which was the target when they designed the vaccines are no longer a big concern. The virus has mutated since those early days and will continue to mutate. This simple fact isn't grasped by people opposed to the vaccines even though they were very successfull in reducing deaths. You are going to see more and different vaccines produced that will be effective against this latest variety. Vaccinations are safe and save lives. That isn't a bad thing unless your an antivaxer that needs something to complain about. This has been turned into some kind of crazy conspiracy by paranoid individuals when all the health departments in the world are trying to save lives which is what they were hired and trained to do. [/QUOTE

There is a big difference between the government BANNING conduct versus MANDATING conduct. Huge difference. We banned smoking in public but we never FORCED anyone to smoke in public.

You keep saying that the vaccine protects others. I explained why it doesn't and nobody has ever offered any evidence why it does.

I completely understand that the vaccines were only tested on the original strain, in fact this is why the vaccines work much less better than advertised. They were advertised as 95% effective but the truth is anyone who knows anything about viruses knew the virus would mutate and the vaccine would lose its strength. But the public health experts did a HORIBLE job of warning people about this risk. Nobody was saying what you are saying now back, about the virus mutating and the vaccine being less effete, this spring EXCEPT for the anti vaxers when explaining the weakness of the vaccine. It's wrong of you now to steal the anti vexers argument and pretend it is your own.

If vaccines are so safe then say that to the tens of thousands of children who have lost their lives to the vaccine.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Tony - vaccines are doing NOTHING to stop the spread of covid here in NYC where I live. This is a fact, can't dance your way around it.

The bottom line is the vaccines are a personal choice that impacts you and nobody else. Period. Yes it means more people may have to go to the hospital, but if we mandate vaccines to reduce the burden on the hospital, that means we increase the burden on everyone else. Nothing comes for free Tony. There are trade offs to everything.

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Tony - vaccines are doing NOTHING to stop the spread of covid here in NYC where I live. This is a fact, can't dance your way around it.

The bottom line is the vaccines are a personal choice that impacts you and nobody else. Period. Yes it means more people may have to go to the hospital, but if we mandate vaccines to reduce the burden on the hospital, that means we increase the burden on everyone else. Nothing comes for free Tony. There are trade offs to everything.

Bro he's not trying to hear anything you say. He was dead set on this "vaccine" from day one and never wanted to hear anything else.

The simple fact that Israel is talking herd immunity now is very telling. They pushed shots on the full population. Read this.



The chit is over because they know the boosters are screwing up the immune system. It's amazing how "conspiracy theories" come true huh? It's almost like you just have to take a look and see how this all came down and use common sense to see the truth. Well off to the new years party. Hope you have a good one man. Also thanks for seeing through the BS. It's nice to see people that can use their minds to think of the "what ifs" before they slam a NEW "vaccine" in their bodies.

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Last one before I hop in the shower.

Children Born During Pandemic Show Lower Cognitive Scores

[TernceBudCharlo]

These people don't actually believe that vaccines save lives our else they wouldnt have intentionally delayed the vaccine. Pfizer had the vaccine ready in September 2020, but a group of political actvsts encouraged them to release the vaccine AFTER the election. To get ***** out of office. So if they believe vaccines save lives then they inteiontally killed hundreds of thousands of people.

[TonyGe]

They have already mandated no smoking in public places long ago. Why? Because it affects the health of others. This mandate if it ever happens is no different. It's happening here. They just fired nursing and support staff that refused to get vaccinated at our local hospital. The idea that those people had that they don't need to be vaccinated against a highly contagious disease that preys on older people and people with preexisting conditions when that is who the hospital is full of is the height of selfishness. That's what really aggravates the people who got vaccinated. They precieve the antivaxers as selfish arrogant slackers that cry and moan endlessly that they are being picked on. This is not a noble cause that they are crusading about. Go and question the economy, human rights the World Bank trying to get rid of currency, wars etc. Those are real issues. This is about trying to protect yourself sure but also protecting others. If that means getting vaccinated then so be it.

No the vaccines were never advertised as 100% effective. If it was they would have passed the trials with a rating of 100% which none of them were. The original strains which was the target when they designed the vaccines are no longer a big concern. The virus has mutated since those early days and will continue to mutate. This simple fact isn't grasped by people opposed to the vaccines even though they were very successfull in reducing deaths. You are going to see more and different vaccines produced that will be effective against this latest variety. Vaccinations are safe and save lives. That isn't a bad thing unless your an antivaxer that needs something to complain about. This has been turned into some kind of crazy conspiracy by paranoid individuals when all the health departments in the world are trying to save lives which is what they were hired and trained to do.

So Isreal is crazy now?


Listen, you are just one of those people that do what the government tells you no matter what. This virus has a 99.7 survival rate to start with. So you're telling me the vaccine is going help what??. 01% live? Funny part is those are alpha and delta numbers. So what is omicron? 99.999%? Yeah we must have a vaccine for a cold now.
This whole scam will go down in history. No way Israel would even consider this after vaxxing the whole country if vaccines worked. Funny part is last week they were studying the effects of boosters on the immune system. Now they're suggesting this? Naw I'm sure one has nothing to do with the other.

Face it Tony you're a sheep.[/QUOTE]

You're an idiot and you know nothing about me. I once refused to pay my federal taxes because had an issue with the government. That turned out badly. LOL. I also refused to get in a police car when they improperly detained me they tried to push me in but the officer was my size and couldn't. I ended up filing a formal complaint against the RCMP that went no where. I lost my part time job over having to do unsafe work when I was employed by a contractor after retirement. I filed a complaint with the board of labor. I started a Group Called Citizens Referendum in order to drum up support to recall members of parliament that weren't representing the people and to have contentious issues put on the ballot and be voted on by the people. I voted against the Meech lake Accord that would give the Province of Quebec special status in in Canada when they voted to seperate. Completely contrary to the government's position. I had the portion my union dues that support the NDP party redirected to charity instead of going in their coffers. By the way I supported them in the election but the automatic redirection of dues to them I had an issue with. I voted for Brian Mullroney's Conservative government when they proposed a free trade agreement with the USA against the advice of the media and the union.. I sued GM over a warranty issue. It went to an adjudicator and I won. I was an ecxcutive on the board of a group that resisted the French Language Services Act that the government rammed through. I went door to door and gathered names for a petition. There is more but I will leave it at that. I am not a sheep.. Let's face it you don't have a clue and you automatically slot people into groups when you know nothing about them.

As far as Israel goes that link you posted is to an opinion piece by a news outlet when in actuality the government is providing a fourth booster shot for the most vulnerable. But it may well be that no matter what everyone is going to get infected. However unlike you I'm not going to sit on my ass and do nothing. I booked an appointment for my booster last week.