Anyone watching this George Floyd trial?

[1bad65]

Deflection...

Some of you guys just really aren't smart at all. Your opinions are really meaningless. Unfortunately there is a great deal of you guys so strength in numbers, I suppose

Your best bet is to put the rabid political superfan types on Ignore.

You'll quickly find that they contribute nothing of value to the forum, and that you really don't miss their posts at all.

[billeau2]

It looks like this trial has polarized the section. I myself feel ambivalent about this verdict. I feel like those who are accessible are easy to pass judgement on, while the people that make these horid use of force policies get to throw a sacrificial lamb out to the masses. There are many pictures of cops kneeling on necks, and doing other such things like carrying people by their shoulders (this will dislocate a shoulder easily), hitting unnecessarily, etc. These are standard procedures and reflect bad training. Even chokes can be taught in a way that are safe compared to kneeling on the neck. Restraint can be taught... I have taught it to members of the military and police... It just takes people caring that officers are prepared.

When will the people who say it is policy to shoot so easily, to subdue irrationally be put out on the carpet? When will proper restraints be employed? We are a nation where cops are some of the worse trained and are given the most latitude to use deadly force. We need better training in restraint and better policies regarding how and when to employ fire arms.

What bothers me is that the people that make these decisions are not accesible, while the cops that use these irresposible measures are accesible. The guy who killed floyd will be serving time... what about the guys that make and allow all the Chauvin's out there to be trained, to thrive, and to continue to be prepared in a manner that will guarantee more problems down the line? what about the training that tells an adult to shoot a kid in the face? Or shoot a person, center mass, automatically with a knife? These procedures are developed because cops are taught to act in a manner that guarantees their safety... But does it? No...it doesn't. Knives are dangerous but there is training... /reflexively training to go for a weapon can be bad... Like when a Taser is reached for instead of a gun... We do have more violence in this country, and it is time to train properly.

What a mess.

[Boxing-1013]

Regarding your last paragraph, what in good god are you talking about.

Since it’s so obvious that you know everything and have the pulse on all things in life.

How are the charges he was convicted of insane.

Enlighten us with your bigoted analogy.

Bigoted? In what way? I don't really follow the media or media narrative of any event at all. The media is really cancerous and I've lost any faith in them as far as just telling the facts.

However, if you spend 20 minutes or so and get the vital details of this case, you can form your own opinion as far as what crime, if any, Chauvin should have been convicted of.

Any charge that indicates pre-meditation, for example, would be off the table.

The neck to knee restraint used by Chauvin, is legal in Minneapolis. It is also unclear exactly if his knee was on his neck or his upper back.

Floyd had an almost identical episode a year prior to his death, where he cried for his mom, said he couldn't breathe, resisted arrest, etc. The difference between that encounter and this one appears to be that he didn't OD on the drugs that he had on him, the first time. I think it is obvious that Floyd likely knew he was going to prison for a long time if he was arrested with drugs on him again. Without thinking, he decided to swallow his stash. It was a fatal decision sadly.

He had enough fentanyl in his system to kill an elephant. He was tweaking out on drugs and needed to be restrained while an ambulance came for him. Could the cops have in hindsight shown more 'care' for him in the moment. Probably would have been smart considering the outcome.

But at that time he was a criminal who was tweaking out and had resisted arrest. You have to make some effort to detain that person.

Now if you or anyone else can refute what I've laid out, feel free. If you want to get emotional and namecall and say Chauvin killed him, because you want to virtue signal about everything - you can do that too.

But virtue signaling and ignoring facts is for ******* and dummies, and I'm neither one of those.

[Boxing-1013]

It looks like this trial has polarized the section. I myself feel ambivalent about this verdict. I feel like those who are accessible are easy to pass judgement on, while the people that make these horid use of force policies get to throw a sacrificial lamb out to the masses. There are many pictures of cops kneeling on necks, and doing other such things like carrying people by their shoulders (this will dislocate a shoulder easily), hitting unnecessarily, etc. These are standard procedures and reflect bad training. Even chokes can be taught in a way that are safe compared to kneeling on the neck. Restraint can be taught... I have taught it to members of the military and police... It just takes people caring that officers are prepared.

When will the people who say it is policy to shoot so easily, to subdue irrationally be put out on the carpet? When will proper restraints be employed? We are a nation where cops are some of the worse trained and are given the most latitude to use deadly force. We need better training in restraint and better policies regarding how and when to employ fire arms.

What bothers me is that the people that make these decisions are not accesible, while the cops that use these irresposible measures are accesible. The guy who killed floyd will be serving time... what about the guys that make and allow all the Chauvin's out there to be trained, to thrive, and to continue to be prepared in a manner that will guarantee more problems down the line? what about the training that tells an adult to shoot a kid in the face? Or shoot a person, center mass, automatically with a knife? These procedures are developed because cops are taught to act in a manner that guarantees their safety... But does it? No...it doesn't. Knives are dangerous but there is training... /reflexively training to go for a weapon can be bad... Like when a Taser is reached for instead of a gun... We do have more violence in this country, and it is time to train properly.

What a mess.

You wouldn't last 1 month as a cop lol

[deathofaclown]

There was only ever going to be one verdict because of public pressure.

There’s really no way second and third degree murder should even come into play, when you understand the definition and what it entails.

the only thing that makes any sense is a trial for manslaughter and looking at the case, even that is iffy, when you look at what a cop is allowed to do in that state, plus the amount of drugs in the guys body.

It was never going to be a fair trial, and he was tried for things that make no sense to the case.

[Boxing-1013]

There was only ever going to be one verdict because of public pressure.

There’s really no way second and third degree murder should even come into play, when you understand the definition and what it entails.

the only thing that makes any sense is a trial for manslaughter and looking at the case, even that is iffy, when you look at what a cop is allowed to do in that state, plus the amount of drugs in the guys body.

It was never going to be a fair trial, and he was tried for things that make no sense to the case.

Yeah basically this. Very good breakdown.

[Mike D]

sup fellas

something happen in the trial

[The Big Dunn]

Bigoted? In what way? I don't really follow the media or media narrative of any event at all. The media is really cancerous and I've lost any faith in them as far as just telling the facts.

However, if you spend 20 minutes or so and get the vital details of this case, you can form your own opinion as far as what crime, if any, Chauvin should have been convicted of.

Any charge that indicates pre-meditation, for example, would be off the table.

The neck to knee restraint used by Chauvin, is legal in Minneapolis. It is also unclear exactly if his knee was on his neck or his upper back.

Floyd had an almost identical episode a year prior to his death, where he cried for his mom, said he couldn't breathe, resisted arrest, etc. The difference between that encounter and this one appears to be that he didn't OD on the drugs that he had on him, the first time. I think it is obvious that Floyd likely knew he was going to prison for a long time if he was arrested with drugs on him again. Without thinking, he decided to swallow his stash. It was a fatal decision sadly.

He had enough fentanyl in his system to kill an elephant. He was tweaking out on drugs and needed to be restrained while an ambulance came for him. Could the cops have in hindsight shown more 'care' for him in the moment. Probably would have been smart considering the outcome.

But at that time he was a criminal who was tweaking out and had resisted arrest. You have to make some effort to detain that person.

Now if you or anyone else can refute what I've laid out, feel free. If you want to get emotional and namecall and say Chauvin killed him, because you want to virtue signal about everything - you can do that too.

But virtue signaling and ignoring facts is for ******* and dummies, and I'm neither one of those.

what you posted had no bearing on what we saw in the video. You’re using facts determined after the death to justify the actions of the officers. That logic is inherently flawed.

The reason we have the video because decent people, none of whom knew anything about Chauvin or Floyd, watched police detain a man in a way that looked and felt wrong.

It is telling that a cross section of Americans- all of different ages , races, genders and socioeconomic levels that saw this all thought, “ I should tape this because this is wrong”?

that isn’t virtue signaling or whatever pseudo intellectual term you just picked up. That is decent people that know right from wrong taking the time to record what any decent human being with an ounce of common sense can plainly see is a murder.

[Boxing-1013]

what you said had no bearing on what we saw in the video. Your using facts determined after the death to justify the actions of the officers. That logic is inherently flawed.

The reason we have the video because decent people, none of whom knew anything about Chauvin or Floyd, watched police detain a man in a way that looked and felt wrong.

It is telling that a cross section of Americans- all of different ages , races, genders and socioeconomic levels that saw this immediately thought, “ I should tape this because this is wrong”?

that isn’t virtue signaling or whatever quasi intellectual term you just picked up. That is decent people that know right from wrong taking the time to record what any decent human being with an ounce of common sense can plainly see is a murder.

If you are going to respond - please cite my post and respond directly to anything I said in there. I have no interest in having a moving the goalpost discussion with anyone, let alone someone like you.

Look at my signature if you have any doubts about who the smart one is between you and me, Dunn.

[TonyGe]

Bigoted? In what way? I don't really follow the media or media narrative of any event at all. The media is really cancerous and I've lost any faith in them as far as just telling the facts.

However, if you spend 20 minutes or so and get the vital details of this case, you can form your own opinion as far as what crime, if any, Chauvin should have been convicted of.

Any charge that indicates pre-meditation, for example, would be off the table.

The neck to knee restraint used by Chauvin, is legal in Minneapolis. It is also unclear exactly if his knee was on his neck or his upper back.

Floyd had an almost identical episode a year prior to his death, where he cried for his mom, said he couldn't breathe, resisted arrest, etc. The difference between that encounter and this one appears to be that he didn't OD on the drugs that he had on him, the first time. I think it is obvious that Floyd likely knew he was going to prison for a long time if he was arrested with drugs on him again. Without thinking, he decided to swallow his stash. It was a fatal decision sadly.

He had enough fentanyl in his system to kill an elephant. He was tweaking out on drugs and needed to be restrained while an ambulance came for him. Could the cops have in hindsight shown more 'care' for him in the moment. Probably would have been smart considering the outcome.

But at that time he was a criminal who was tweaking out and had resisted arrest. You have to make some effort to detain that person.

Now if you or anyone else can refute what I've laid out, feel free. If you want to get emotional and namecall and say Chauvin killed him, because you want to virtue signal about everything - you can do that too.

But virtue signaling and ignoring facts is for ******* and dummies, and I'm neither one of those.

Chauvin was murdered by Floyd. Experts testified that the level of drugs in his blood did not kill him. Race aside Chauvin IMO is a psychopath. He was found guilty by a jury of his peers. Do police gave the right to use deadly force to protect themselves and others. Damned right they do and it shouldn't be any other way. However this went way beyond that.