Why Teddy Atlas Is Right

[BillyBoxing]

again, insecure posts should be less con****uous.

I mean, focus on Teddy Atlas. Last I knew he was Asian?

You sure is the little unsecure rat posting everyday on this forum almost only in Ward/GGG related threads.

You should get banned for never talking about boxing and doing bait sht threads.

You definitely are just like freedom an useless poster.

[Lester Tutor]

You sure is the little unsecure rat posting everyday on this forum almost only in Ward/GGG related threads.

You should get banned for never talking about boxing and doing bait sht threads.

You definitely are just like freedom an useless poster.

It was my pleasure making you look salty.

[koolkc107]

vargas ended the pacquiao fight on his feet, you rate him highly too? And brandon rios? joshua clottey? In fact every fighter since miguel cotto in 2009....

Vargas has wins over DeMarco and Ali and had Bradley out on his feet in the last round; doesn't make him elite but does put him right at the level of most of Lil g opponents.

Rios was elite before Pac and DQed Chavez after losing to Pac.

Clottey was considered elite before he fought Pac.

All three of those names are as good or better than Willie Monroe, Dominik Wade and others.

[TX_BOXNG]

Teddy is just being an idiot like most of the time, GGG is easily top 10 might even be top 5

On the other hand Spence is in the top 20 maybe, Thurman or DSG will be in the top 10 after who ever wins

[koolkc107]

Teddy is just being an idiot like most of the time, GGG is easily top 10 might even be top 5

On the other hand Spence is in the top 20 maybe, Thurman or DSG will be in the top 10 after who ever wins

Agree about Lil g if all you use is the eye test.

For P4p tho, I like to also factor in other things, most importantly how you have performed against other proven or elite competition.

My point is Lil g falls short if you start using more than the eye test.

Jeff Lacy passed the eye test.
Lucian Bute passed the eye test.
Hell, Adrien Broner was supposed to be the next Floyd according to the eye test.

Golovkin needs Jacobs to be the start of about 4 or 5 top flight guys.

His legacy is on the line.

[bluepete]

Thurman at four? Vulnerable and not clearly the top guy in his division. Spence, never fought for a title and best win Algeri? Joke. I expect to see Joshua or Klitschko on there soon, especially if it's a devastating win by Joshua. Golovkin or Jacobs likewise.

[Beercules]

Lol, didn't read a word.

Me either

[_Maxi]

I know folks were crying foul for Lil g being left off of Atlas's top 10 P4P list.

I hate to say it, but Teddy may have actually been too kind in mentioning Golovkin was 11.

The truth is, we don't know.

And because we don't know it IS OK to speculate that he doesn't belong at all.

We can't even speculate based on how his competition has gone on to do against other elite or near elite guys.

We don't know THAT either.

We don't know because Golovkin's best wins were against good, but not great, competition.

And, we don't know because even counting those wins is difficult because of the prior and subsequent history of those opponents.

What do I mean?

For an example (as a control) let's cite a recent P4P great, Pacquiao, using an elite opponent- Miguel Cotto.

I am the first guy to argue that Pac's victory over Cotto has a few asterisks- the weight drain, the fact that Cotto was probably still slightly damaged goods from the cement beating...

But, a look at Cotto's record after the fight with Manny makes Manny's victory a very solid argument for Pac. It was after Pac destroyed Miguel that Cotto gave Mayweather arguably the toughest fight of Floyd's career. It was after Pac's win that Cotto destroyed Maravilla (albeit a hobbled Sergio). And it was after Pac's win that Cotto suffered a very close and competitive loss to Alvarez, another acknowledged P4P guy.

You look at other Pacquiao wins and you see largely the same thing: JMM has some of his biggest wins after Pac losses. Bradley beats JMM and Provo after his first fight with Pac, then Chavez and Rios after the second one. Even Algieri- who I thought was a nobody- proves he belonged in a closely contested loss to Khan after his fight with Pac.

Now lets look at Lil g's best wins-Murray, Geale, and Lemieux

Not one of those 3 has beaten an elite or even near elite fighter since they fought Lil g. Murray has probably had the most success, but has come up short against an ancient Arthur Abraham and an inconsistent George Groves. Lemieux has yet to even try and test himself against another elite or near elite and will not be doing so his next fight with Curtis Stevens either. And Geale went on to get KTFO by an undersized Cotto (who was more dominant in his win against Geale than Golovkin was in his win) and then follow THAT up by getting KTFO by a guy with 11 fights.

That's exactly why you CAN leave Lil g off a top 10 P4P list.

He has not fought elite competition and the top guys he HAS fought have not proved to be very good post match either.

Yeah, the eye test says he might be top 5 or even 3 or even more.

But, he has to fight someone.

He is 11 years in, over 6 of those with a belt and Jacobs (who one can argue has also done it a little with smoke and mirrors) is THE BEST GUY he has ever faced- yet it is also questionable if Jacobs is truly elite.

So, we will see.

An impressive victory over Danny should help him crack the top 10 IMO.

But for some, even that will not be enough.

But Atlas had him in the past in his top10...

He just said that he left him out because of his recent performance against Brook. (A performance we all know was on purpose after almost ending the fight in the first round, something he didn't want to do).

So, all your words are bull shiet. Kisses.

[FLY TY]

Thurman at four? Vulnerable and not clearly the top guy in his division. Spence, never fought for a title and best win Algeri? Joke. I expect to see Joshua or Klitschko on there soon, especially if it's a devastating win by Joshua. Golovkin or Jacobs likewise.

I agree with maybe the #4 thing, but i don't know who's "clearly" better than thurman at 147.

[Real King Kong]

Lol, didn't read a word.