Daniel Jacobs hints at the GGG fight happening in 2016

[HeroBando]

I knew you said it in one of my threads, which is correct. Point is you said GGG vs Jacobs wasn't possible because GGG was on contract with HBO. Now you flop and say you never said it



Try again. The name of my thread was "Debunking the PBC fighters can't fight on HBO Theory Myth and GGG's HBO contract". You were arguing that the fight couldn't be made because of the contract. Why try to spin everything? Do you have that much pride?



No, they're not. GGG is with HBO, but Loeffler is negotiating with PBC/Haymon just like I told you he could do. Why continue to embarrass yourself and play semantics?

Pbc fighters couldn't fight on Hbo and now can after HBO's management change. Not one of those posts contradicts that. What's wrong with you?

Loeffler wasn't negotiating for a Pbc fight, lol at you again. It's an Hbo ppv duh

[BoliviaChiLEsp]

I hope so.

[ИATAS]

I don't know why you feel the need to re-write history.

Everything I've said is locked in this thread.

From day one I've said "why doesn't Team GGG chase a fight with Jacobs and give him the fair money he's asked for".

At this point, for the first time in history, someone from from Team GGG is publicly stating they're interested for a fight with Jacobs; however, we still have yet to get over the hurdle of "what's fair money". I know what the GGG Legion think fair money is, but I, nor does anyone else know specifically what "fair money" was offered to Daniel Jacobs to make the GGG fight.

All we know is that Jacobs is still saying that he wasn't being offered fair money, but was being offered the same money he made against Quillin even though Tom Loeffler himself has said Jacobs vs GGG in NYC is HUGE and there's $$$ available for it.

If you give Jacobs the same $$$ he made for Quillin, even though GGG is much more of a risk than Quillin was, essentially you're saying Peter Quillin is the same economic star as GGG.

Tom Loeffler himself has said there's $$$ for Jacobs vs GGG, but that number has yet to be disclosed specifically. I guess NATAS and Co knows more about the economics of GGG vs Jacobs than Tom Loeffler.

Suddenly when I comes to Jacobs, you act like it's some deep mystery of what fights are worth. That's not the case since we can simply look at other fights and use those as examples as to what networks are willing to pay, and it seems you forget that - it's the networks that buy the fights not k2. We do know a couple things - Jacobs has publicly stated he feels he should get upwards of three million and two, he said he wants to wait 1.5 years so the fight builds and he can get more money. That's coming from Jacobs himself.

Is Jacobs a bigger name than Danny Garcia? Keith Thurman?

Danny Garcia was averaging around $1.5 million five or take over his four fights prior to Guerrero. In Guerrero he got $2 million while Guerrero got $1.5 million.

Garcia is one of those biggest names in PBC and as a result is one of their highest paid fighters.

We can say, without any doubt whatsoever, Danny Jacobs is not as big of a name than Danny Garcia.

And yet you think Jacobs should get double or close to double of Garcia's biggest payday?

Golovkin himself, his biggest payday was $2 million. We know, without a doubt, Golovkin is a bigger name than Jacobs. So again, Jacobs is wanting double or close to double what Golovkin has got.

So you can say, Loeffler says Jacobs vs Golovkin would sell well in New York. Of course it would, Golovkin has done well in NYC and Jacobs did well at the gate against Quillin. The question is how much is HBO willing to pay for this fight. We can then look at main event purses fr recent HBO events. Are they willing to pay $6-$7 million for the main event alone? Not judging by recent HBO cards and the fact they've passed on really good fights (Crawford vs Postol being forced on PPV is a perfect example, hell Golovkin vs Lemeuix having to go to PPV is another indication). The reality is for regular HBO Jacobs isn't going to get any more than $2 million at the absolute max, being that Golovkin of course would at the very least have to make this same amount (which in reality would need to be more than Jacobs but for sake of argument let's say Golovkin is super generous and does a 50/50 split). If Jacobs is willing to make a career high payday for THREE belts on the line in the biggest fight of his career by far, it's right there. But Jacobs wants a significant pay increase from what he got against Quillin, hence his 1.5 years of building that fight so he can be worth more money.

Again though, Jacobs is in a position to enforce his mandatory position. Why hasn't he done that? Why hasn't he notified the WBA and state he wants Golovkin next? He hasn't, he's told everyone in his own words he wants the fight to build so he can get more money. What is there to debate when Jacobs says these things himself? Meanwhile, Eubank, rather than making excuses and running away from Golovkin is running towards him, put pressure on his promoter and Sky network to get him a big payday and it appears that's exactly what's happening. Eubank was proactive unlike Jacobs who is doing nothing other than rematching Sergio Mora which is supposedly going to increase his value to over $3 million? Sure. Why isn't Jacobs doing the same? Why isn't he telling his manager/promoter to make the Golovkin fight and get him the most money possible? He hasn't don't any of that, only talked to the media about how he wants to fight the best opponent, Golovkin, 1.5 years from now. It's night and day when you compare what Eubank has done and what Jacobs has done (which was nothing at all).

Best of luck to Jacobs though. Hopefully he doesn't JuanMa Lopez his career and miss out on a huge opportunity.

[Chollo Vista]

Pbc fighters couldn't fight on Hbo and now can after HBO's management change

Here you are digging yourself even deeper.

Peter Nelson became HBO Sports president December 2015. I posted that thread Jan 26, 2016. You fiercly debated and told me HBO/Haymon couldn't do business. Why are you trying to make it seem like my thread was posted and then HBO changed presidents?

You have your dates wrong and the world is looking at you continue to make a buffoon out of yourself.

And to take it a step further, even before Peter Nelson took over, Ken Hershman was on record saying he had no problems negotiating with Al Haymon. Just stop lying.

Not one of those posts contradicts that. What's wrong with you?

I think a better question is what's wrong with you.

Loeffler wasn't negotiating for a Pbc fight, lol at you again. It's an Hbo ppv duh

Once again, we're continuing to play semantics.

Tom Loeffler can and has negotiated a fight with Haymon/PBC. That's a fact. you're a nescient troll.

Period.

[brettWall]

This is correct

This is correct what?

But but... somebody changed their stance from being positive to negative: he'll lose the fight doe, might as well demand huge cash doe. As opposed to saying, he'll beat his ass and the money will go along with it. The opportunity to beat the great GGG no longer have any value. It's like wanting a job, but skipping the interview. What a joke.

[Chollo Vista]

Suddenly when I comes to Jacobs, you act like it's some deep mystery of what fights are worth. .

We're going in circles here.

There's two sides to a story. I understand yours, but you're not attempting to understand mine.

You're saying, the $$$ Jacobs is asking for isn't there.

I'm saying, if the $$$ isn't there, then that means that GGG is high risk/low reward. GGG is high risk/low reward, because he hasn't done the necessary things to make him high risk/high reward.

What are these things I speak of? GGG vs Ward @ 168 and GGG vs Canelo @155.

Those were two golden opportunities to make GGG high risk/high reward in which he faltered on. GGG chose to make a smart business decision in one breath and "the best must fight the best" decision in the next breath.

Both were errors on he and his team in my opinion; in result, he's doesn't produce the capital to make the risk worthwhile. Just as GGG had made smart business decisions in the past, others are making them as well, but all of a sudden you guys have a problem when someone else does the same thing.

Since we're quoting Jacobs, Jacobs also said "ME vs GGG. Let's make it happen". Yes, it was a troll post, but it was obviously done with the intent on promoting the GGG vs Jacobs fight. It seems to be serving its purpose based off everyone's reactions.

Jacobs has also admitted to being in negotiations with Loeffler. I think Jacobs plan was to take out BJS this summer thus continuing the GGG vs Jacobs build up. That plan fell a part when BJS pussied out and refused to fight Jacobs.

[Chollo Vista]

This is correct what?

But but... somebody changed their stance from being positive to negative: he'll lose the fight doe, might as well demand huge cash doe

This is hilarious.

Especially when you ridicule Jacobs for doing the same thing Loeffler has admittedly done with Lara. It's like business economics are ok with you when talking about GGG and Pac. But no one else can play economics?

As opposed to saying, he'll beat his ass and the money will go along with it.

Unfortunately, risk vs reward doesn't work like this.

The opportunity to beat the great GGG .

Unfortunately the capital provided to GGG's opponents doesn't match his greatness. No matter how you cut it, he's a high risk/low reward.

Everyone is supposed to take the risk to fight GGG, but according to you guys GGG doesn't have to take any risks to fight anyone else he'll be at a disadvantage against. Why such dichotomy in expectations for one fighter and disdain for the other that does the same thing?

[jqSide]

This is correct what?

But but... somebody changed their stance from being positive to negative: he'll lose the fight doe, might as well demand huge cash doe. As opposed to saying, he'll beat his ass and the money will go along with it. The opportunity to beat the great GGG no longer have any value. It's like wanting a job, but skipping the interview. What a joke.

It's a game doe that's been played in this place since time immemorial, if you haven't noticed. Fans hate to see the ball sitting squarely on their idol's lap. The rival has to do the negotiating, begging, offering and all that. The idol doesn't have to do anything. The rival calls his bluff and they'll instantly move the goal post and come up with another garbage.

[brettWall]

This is hilarious.

You are a joke. You started from being confident for Jacobs to beat the Kazakhstani fighter which I share

to Jacobs will lose the fight doe. He should be compensated properly doe. He could get hospitalized doe. Pathetic.

[Chollo Vista]

The rival has to do the negotiating, begging, offering and all that. The idol doesn't have to do anything. The rival calls his bluff and they'll instantly move the goal post and come up with another garbage.

What the hell are you talking about?

You come in everyone of my threads spouting the same garbage - "If Jacobs wants it, why don't they negotiate".

They are negotiating. The details haven't been made completely public.

No matter how hard you try to spin it, not one thing has changed from Jacobs in the past year and a half which is "I'll fight GGG for the right money".

You say "Why doesn't Jacobs negotiate".

They are/have been negotiating, but haven't agreed on the $$$. Keep up