Canelo Is Not a Middleweight!

[boliodogs]

Martinez said GGG is so good he is off the charts. He said Canelo is a great champion but he probably won't fight GGG until GGG shows signs of weakness. Martinez is retired and has no reason to lie about this. Canelo scored a good win a few days ago. Why can guys on here wait and see who he fights and at what weight when he returns in early may. Canelo himself probably doesn't know what his next move is. He is probably just happy he got the win over the difficult Cotto and wants to relax and soak in the glory of his good victory.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Yes, he needs to start coming in near the limit and also fight strong solid middleweights. Although, regarding transitioning into a new division, I don't know if it is that common to come in and fight the top dog in that division. You have cases where a guy comes into the division, but fights a paper champion to get an easy win (Broner-Malignaggi). I can understand why Canelo is hesitant to fight GGG at 160, if he thinks GGG might have some advantages in that fight. I am fine with letting Canelo fight 2-3 fights against good 160 pounders, then GGG. If he needs to vacate, so be it.

Transitioning into a new division? I'm a somewhat Canelo fan but I call that an utter garbage. Just the logic, not you personally.

155 IS already in the middleweight division, and he's had a few fights there. If he wants to be considered a small middleweight, then that's what the junior middleweight division is for (at 154).

I can never follow Canelo's logic here. It is obvious he's draining himself to make 155. Why drain yourself when you can fight healthily at the middleweight limit (160)?

This is just crazy.

[PeterinMI]

Nothing wrong with anything you said except Conelo amd his team are spouting that 155 BS. If they just shut their trap about it I would agree. Wait amd see.

Personally think GGG crushes him. I don't think Conelo has peaked yet and maybe isn't ready for GGG. However, GGG is the mandatory so fight at the weight class or vacate.

Martinez said GGG is so good he is off the charts. He said Canelo is a great champion but he probably won't fight GGG until GGG shows signs of weakness. Martinez is retired and has no reason to lie about this. Canelo scored a good win a few days ago. Why can guys on here wait and see who he fights and at what weight when he returns in early may. Canelo himself probably doesn't know what his next move is. He is probably just happy he got the win over the difficult Cotto and wants to relax and soak in the glory of his good victory.

[PeterinMI]

This is spot on.

I think Conelo does it to get into the minds of his opponents. Also to show he is A side. Taking a page from Mayweathers book on tough negotiating. My way or the highway. No proble, to me except when. It comes to mandatory challenges.

Transitioning into a new division? I'm a somewhat Canelo fan but I call that an utter garbage. Just the logic, not you personally.

155 IS already in the middleweight division, and he's had a few fights there. If he wants to be considered a small middleweight, then that's what the junior middleweight division is for (at 154).

I can never follow Canelo's logic here. It is obvious he's draining himself to make 155. Why drain yourself when you can fight healthily at the middleweight limit (160)?

This is just crazy.

[boliodogs]

If we are talking about what is the right thing for Canelo to do it is clear to me. He should give up the WBC belt and fight whoever he pleases at whatever weight he pleases. If he keeps the belt he should fight GGG next at the correct 160 pounds. If he tries to keep his middleweight title and defend it at a catchweight then he is a pretend middleweight champion just like Cotto was.

[SplitSecond]

I don't know what every top middleweight can get down to but some of them can probably fight at 155. GGG says he can make 154 for Mayweather. One thing is for sure in my mind. Canelo is not naturally a 20 pounds bigger fighter than Cotto as many Cotto fans have tried to say to explain why Canelo beat Cotto. Canelo has repeatedly made 155 and come into the ring strong. If Cotto is really 20 pounds smaller than Canelo then Cotto should be able to weigh in at 135 and come into the ring strong. Cotto can no longer make 147 comfortably and 150 is the lightest weight Cotto can weigh in at and still be strong. This means Canelo is about 5 pounds bigger than Cotto naturally and not 20 pounds bigger as some are saying..

Considering what Canelo blows up to he is only coming into the ring strong because he's young enough to recover.

The only way Golovkin at the age of 33 can make 155 without being drained is by cutting muscle mass, like Hopkins would do when coming down. Golovkin at 33 can't come down to 155 and blow up as much as Alvarez, he'd show up shot like Matthysse and Rios. This is just from observation but by early 30's, fighters can't drain themselves 20lb's anymore. If Canelo plans on having a long career at the top he's going to have to move up and stop cutting so much eventually.

If Canelo still thinks he's a light middleweight, then drop the belt and go back to 154lb's.

[boliodogs]

I don't know why Canelo draws this hard line at 155. He could just fight at 160. He might be stronger at 160 and it's only 5 pounds. He is my favorite fighter but I don't understand why he does this.

[boliodogs]

Considering what Canelo blows up to he is only coming into the ring strong because he's young enough to recover.

The only way Golovkin at the age of 33 can make 155 without being drained is by cutting muscle mass, like Hopkins would do when coming down. Golovkin at 33 can't come down to 155 and blow up as much as Alvarez, he'd show up shot like Matthysse and Rios. This is just from observation but by early 30's, fighters can't drain themselves 20lb's anymore. If Canelo plans on having a long career at the top he's going to have to move up and stop cutting so much eventually.

If Canelo still thinks he's a light middleweight, then drop the belt and go back to 154lb's.

I agree. He is the middleweight champion of the world now and he should just fight at the more comfortable 160 pounds. He has no right to demand GGG fight him at 155 because middleweight is 160 and it has been 160 for about 100 years. I don't think any world titles should be fought at anything but the full weight limit. I hate catchweight title fights no matter who is demanding them.

[BoxingIsGreat]

I don't know why Canelo draws this hard line at 155. He could just fight at 160. He might be stronger at 160 and it's only 5 pounds. He is my favorite fighter but I don't understand why he does this.

Excellent and to the point.

[ИATAS]

Show me a middleweight who can make 155.

lol what? You realize all these guys are cutting weight right, some more than others. There have been plenty of fighters over the years that fought at both 154 and 160.

Bernard Hopkins, who is 6'1, weighed 156 against Oscar and surely could have made 155 if he wanted to or had to.

At the end of the day, Canelo IS the WBC, Ring and Lineal middleweight champion of the world. End of story.